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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Well, this is true. However, the sociopath - a person incapable of empathy - is not going to be "cured" by religion any more than they are by psychology.
    I neither said, nor implied that they would. There is no cure for sociopathy, aside from death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I neither said, nor implied that they would. There is no cure for sociopathy, aside from death.
    While that's true, I would submit that sociopathy is an example of where social laws come in handy. For the vast majority of people, they can, through their empathy, design a personal moral discipline directing how they behave. For the sociopath, while they are incapable of creating such a personal system, those who are able to employ their intellect, can still comprehend that there are social consequences to their actions, so self-preservation - the desire not to be imprisoned, or worse - will encourage them to behave within the strictures of "social norms". This is how functioning sociopaths are able to exist in society, without acting on their more inappropriate desires of self-gratification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    If you are hungry, I will offer you food.
    If you are thirsty, I will offer water.
    If you are cold, I will offer warmth.
    If you are in need, ask and I will give.
    If you are in trouble, ask and I will help.

    I do not do this things in hope of being rewarded, or out of fear of being punished. I do these things, because I know them to be right. I set my own standards, and I, alone, enforce them...

    ...I am an atheist.
    You are an angry, anti-religious atheist. Here are a few highly visible atheists who have explored religion in a positive light. Unlike you, they do not believe, but they understand why others do.

    J. Michael Straczynski - IMDb

    Joss Whedon - IMDb

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    You are an angry, anti-religious atheist. Here are a few highly visible atheists who have explored religion in a positive light. Unlike you, they do not believe, but they understand why others do.

    J. Michael Straczynski - IMDb

    Joss Whedon - IMDb
    Interesting. I posted nothing negative about religion. I made no attack on religion. I posted my personal positions, arrived at without regard to religion. Your only response is to call me angry, and attack me. Seems you might be the one who is angry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Interesting. I posted nothing negative about religion. I made no attack on religion. I posted my personal positions, arrived at without regard to religion. Your only response is to call me angry, and attack me. Seems you might be the one who is angry...

    *eye roll*


    /facepalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    If you are hungry, I will offer you food.
    If you are thirsty, I will offer water.
    If you are cold, I will offer warmth.
    If you are in need, ask and I will give.
    If you are in trouble, ask and I will help.

    I do not do this things in hope of being rewarded, or out of fear of being punished. I do these things, because I know them to be right. I set my own standards, and I, alone, enforce them...

    ...I am an atheist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I have never called anyone stupid for "being people of faith". I have said that their faith is irrational, and contrary to reason. There's a difference.
    I'm curious @Czernobog. What is the intent/end-game of this thread? The only point I've seen seems to be that, at the end of the day, you live by the same "Golden Rule" as "people of faith" do. But you need to point out that they are irrational? Isn't another good quality of decent people to "Live and let live".

    Most atheists I know express a need to show their intellectual superiority, almost like they are saying "I'm too smart to be told what to do".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    We Christians would never do any of those things.
    But with Christians, you never know whether their benevolent acts are honestly their own, or whether their behavior is a self-serving means to reward themselves in the afterlife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    But with Christians, you never know whether their benevolent acts are honestly their own, or whether their behavior is a self-serving means to reward themselves in the afterlife.
    But to the contrary, don't some people kill in the name of their faith to reward themselves in the afterlife? Could be that all religion is a bit imperfect. Seems a lot of science is a bit imperfect also. Maybe if everyone got off their bandwagon and stopped trying to to tell everyone else what to believe and tried to be more tolerant everything could be a lot better? But, I think that's NGH.
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    The word atheist is like the word “foreigner” or “gentile” or “alien”.

    You’re not supposed to refer to yourself as one.

    I don’t believe in ghosts. I don’t belong to a “corprealist” group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    The word atheist is like the word “foreigner” or “gentile” or “alien”.

    You’re not supposed to refer to yourself as one.

    I don’t believe in ghosts. I don’t belong to a “corprealist” group.
    And yet the referring to religious people as “theists” I find even more ridiculous. I know it’s a real word.

    The closest anologous word pair I can think of is anarchism and also just plain old “archism”.
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