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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I don’t know why it strikes me odd. I can’t explain it.

    I’d think it normal to see a vegetarian cookbook. But no one makes a “meat only” cook book.

    Theres “Al’s Steslhouse” but there’s no “Al’s No Steak Restaurant and Grill”
    See, you're right. Theists don't identify themselves as theist; they identify by their religion - Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. Thing is, I don't just disbelieve in the Christian God, or the Muslim God. I don't just disbelieve in certain gods. I disbelieve in the very concept of God, I don't care what religion you built around that concept. Sooo...what term do you think would better suit my theology than Atheism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    See, you're right. Theists don't identify themselves as theist; they identify by their religion - Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. Thing is, I don't just disbelieve in the Christian God, or the Muslim God. I don't just disbelieve in certain gods. I disbelieve in the very concept of God, I don't care what religion you built around that concept. Sooo...what term do you think would better suit my theology than Atheism?
    You’re a ..... guy.

    I’d ask you a comparable question back.

    I’m a straight, white Canadian Christian father from the coast, work for the gubment, and I don’t believe in reincarnation. Sally is a black lesbian Albanian from the mountains who works in finance. No kids. She is Orthadox and also doesn’t believe in reincarnation. Barney is unemployed in New Dheli and hates the government. Grown kids he barely knows. He was raised Hindu but now rejects everything spiritual, including reincarnation.

    What would you call the three of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    You’re a ..... guy.

    I’d ask you a comparable question back.

    I’m a straight, white Canadian Christian father from the coast, work for the gubment, and I don’t believe in reincarnation. Sally is a black lesbian Albanian from the mountains who works in finance. No kids. She is Orthadox and also doesn’t believe in reincarnation. Barney is unemployed in New Dheli and hates the government. Grown kids he barely knows. He was raised Hindu but now rejects everything spiritual, including reincarnation.

    What would you call the three of us?
    It may just be that Ive always lived in places where other people’s religions truly have no effect on my life. I know it’s not the same everywhere.

    If I’d grown up in Salt Lake City I’d probably be president of the “not Mormon club”.

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    Or another way.

    Desmond Tutu was not Chinese. Adolf Hitler was not Chinese. Betty White is not Chinese.

    What’s the word that sums up the ethnicity of Betty White, Desmond Tutu, and Adolf Hitler?

    The Chinese probably have a word for that. A Chinese word that means “non-Chinese person”. But you’d never expect Betty White to call herself that. Or consider herself in a group with Hitler and Tutu but NOT Jackie Chan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Lol, many a true word is spoken in jest, but I don't believe that to be the case in this instance. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shintoist, Wiccan or atheist - human beings are born with empathy for their fellow creatures - human or otherwise. Religion is an artifact which can be used for good or evil, tolerance or intolerance, inclusion or exclusion, and the more fundamentalist the beliefs - the more extreme the attitudes and possible consequences.
    Christians don't do these things for a reward...as so many assume. They do it out of the goodness of their hearts and they do it from a place of gratefuleness. The more fundamental you are in this faith, the more you do for others than for yourself.

    Belief in Jesus and trusting Him does create a moral compass, despite what the hostile anti Christians say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I have never called anyone stupid for "being people of faith". I have said that their faith is irrational, and contrary to reason. There's a difference.
    And your opinion is noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Interesting. I posted nothing negative about religion. I made no attack on religion. I posted my personal positions, arrived at without regard to religion. Your only response is to call me angry, and attack me. Seems you might be the one who is angry...
    You did attack religion and people of faith, b mocking their faith and acting superior for doing so...now you are just playing denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    But with Christians, you never know whether their benevolent acts are honestly their own, or whether their behavior is a self-serving means to reward themselves in the afterlife.
    You think this way because you are ignorant in regard to how Christianity works...One is not rewarded for works, you do the works out of a grateful heart. You cannot get rewarded with heaven, the offer of it is out of God's grace...in fact you could gain the same thing right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    The end-game is exactly as it appears - to demonstrate that religion is not necessary to formulate a rational moral code. Interestingly, nearly every response has been to suggest that, somehow, with my simple declarative, I am attacking religion. I suppose, in a way, I am. After all, if it can be demonstrated that religion is not necessary to formulate a rational moral code, that does rather attack one of the fundamental claims that religion makes about its necessity, now doesn't it?
    C S Lewis and natural law - (it only takes a few minutes to listen to) Speaks DIRECTLY to your OP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHV_cT-C00

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Christians don't do these things for a reward...as so many assume. They do it out of the goodness of their hearts and they do it from a place of gratefuleness. The more fundamental you are in this faith, the more you do for others than for yourself.

    Belief in Jesus and trusting Him does create a moral compass, despite what the hostile anti Christians say.
    Those are your beliefs, and I respect your right to maintain any beliefs your intellect will sustain - I am not in the business of denigrating anyone's spiritual beliefs.

    However, your post is a complete non-sequitur in respect of mine - to which you are ostensibly replying. My simple position is that there is an inherent and natural sense of morality in all human beings (and possibly all life forms - although we have no way of measuring that,) and those who do not exhibit this are the exception rather than the rule. The degree to which religious people are fundamentalist appears to motivate the opposite of your claim - think Fred Phelps, the Inquisition, and the Taliban or ISIS.

    Lol, I have always considered the level of religious fervour one encounters in your average C of E village church on a Sunday - e.g: a congregation of three old ladies, and a dog that has wandered in from the rain - to be the optimum for any civilised society.
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