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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Those are your beliefs, and I respect your right to maintain any beliefs your intellect will sustain - I am not in the business of denigrating anyone's spiritual beliefs.

    However, your post is a complete non-sequitur in respect of mine - to which you are ostensibly replying. My simple position is that there is an inherent and natural sense of morality in all human beings (and possibly all life forms - although we have no way of measuring that,) and those who do not exhibit this are the exception rather than the rule. The degree to which religious people are fundamentalist appears to motivate the opposite of your claim - think Fred Phelps, the Inquisition, and the Taliban or ISIS.

    Lol, I have always considered the level of religious fervour one encounters in your average C of E village church on a Sunday - e.g: a congregation of three old ladies, and a dog that has wandered in from the rain - to be the optimum for any civilised society.
    That is why I posted C S Lewis Natural Law...did you have a listen?

    Hard not to notice that a hostile anti Christian misuses the term fundamental...by only seeing it in a negative light. When in fact if you were to return to fundamental practices you get the exact opposite. It is fundamental in the Christian religion to forgive your enemies, to turn your other cheek, to support and help those that cannot help themselves, to forgive others for their offenses...etc etc.

    There is zero evidence that any fundamental Judeo/Christian teaching is about violence and/or oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    You’re a ..... guy.

    I’d ask you a comparable question back.

    I’m a straight, white Canadian Christian father from the coast, work for the gubment, and I don’t believe in reincarnation. Sally is a black lesbian Albanian from the mountains who works in finance. No kids. She is Orthadox and also doesn’t believe in reincarnation. Barney is unemployed in New Dheli and hates the government. Grown kids he barely knows. He was raised Hindu but now rejects everything spiritual, including reincarnation.

    What would you call the three of us?
    Collectively? Theists. Individually? A Christian, Greek (I assume) Orthodox, and a Hindu. But, you're all theists. What word do you believe would better describe your collective theology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Or another way.

    Desmond Tutu was not Chinese. Adolf Hitler was not Chinese. Betty White is not Chinese.

    What’s the word that sums up the ethnicity of Betty White, Desmond Tutu, and Adolf Hitler?

    The Chinese probably have a word for that. A Chinese word that means “non-Chinese person”. But you’d never expect Betty White to call herself that. Or consider herself in a group with Hitler and Tutu but NOT Jackie Chan.
    That's because Desmond Tutu was African, Adolf Hitler was German, and Betty White is an Swedish American. See? You don't need to call them a "Non-Chinese" person to describe their ethnicity, because there is a more accurate term available for describing their ethnicity.

    I ask again, what better, more accurate word do you propose describes the theology of a person who's position is "There is no God" than atheist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Christians don't do these things for a reward...as so many assume. They do it out of the goodness of their hearts and they do it from a place of gratefuleness. The more fundamental you are in this faith, the more you do for others than for yourself.

    Belief in Jesus and trusting Him does create a moral compass, despite what the hostile anti Christians say.
    I would take issue with the "...out of the goodness of their hearts..." but we'll let that go.

    "They do it...from a place of gratefulness," Gratefulness for [B]what[B], precisely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    You did attack religion and people of faith, b mocking their faith and acting superior for doing so...now you are just playing denial.
    Please post the portion of my OP that "mocks their faith".

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    That is why I posted C S Lewis Natural Law...did you have a listen?

    Hard not to notice that a hostile anti Christian misuses the term fundamental...by only seeing it in a negative light. When in fact if you were to return to fundamental practices you get the exact opposite. It is fundamental in the Christian religion to forgive your enemies, to turn your other cheek, to support and help those that cannot help themselves, to forgive others for their offenses...etc etc.

    There is zero evidence that any fundamental Judeo/Christian teaching is about violence and/or oppression.
    Yeah, that's not how Fundamentalism is described: Fundamentalism usually has a religious connotation that indicates unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs. However, fundamentalism has come to be applied to a tendency among certain groups—mainly, though not exclusively, in religion—that is characterized by a markedly strict literalism as it is applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions, leading to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which advocates believe members have strayed. Rejection of diversity of opinion as applied to these established "fundamentals" and their accepted interpretation within the group is often the result of this tendency.

    The part I emphasised is what leads to the aggressive derision, and attacks on "outsiders' one sees in Fred Phelps, the Inquisition, the Taliban, and ISIS.

    So, it would seem that it is you that does not understand what fundamentalism is, and what it teaches...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Interesting. I posted nothing negative about religion. I made no attack on religion. I posted my personal positions, arrived at without regard to religion. Your only response is to call me angry, and attack me. Seems you might be the one who is angry...
    But you just said faith in god is stupid and irrational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    But you just said faith in god is stupid and irrational.
    I didn't say stupid. I said irrational, and contrary to reason. "Stupid" is your word. My experience, in fact, has been that those who are, otherwise intelligent, rational people of logic, and reason, still choose to wilfully ignore that reason in this one area. I find it difficult to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I didn't say stupid. I said irrational, and contrary to reason. "Stupid" is your word. My experience, in fact, has been that those who are, otherwise intelligent, rational people of logic, and reason, still choose to wilfully ignore that reason in this one area. I find it difficult to understand.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

    Definition of stupid
    1 a : slow of mind : obtuse
    b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
    c : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish
    2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid still stupid from the sedative
    3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless a stupid decision
    4 a : lacking interest or point a stupid event
    b : vexatious, exasperating the stupid car won't start

    Contrary to reason, irrational, and stupid are SYNONYMS.

    Are you really this dishonest?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I didn't say stupid. I said irrational, and contrary to reason. "Stupid" is your word. My experience, in fact, has been that those who are, otherwise intelligent, rational people of logic, and reason, still choose to wilfully ignore that reason in this one area. I find it difficult to understand.
    We are not irrational you have failed to prove that there is no God.

    you are an Atheist you may be right, But then again you may be wrong

    I am A Christian I may be right or I may be wrong.


    Between the 2 of us ONE OF US may be right but we BOTH could be wrong. I believe Jesus is God, or there could be another God that is the true God.

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