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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    It was [a question] of Jewry allowing Judaism and it's good beginnings to be denigrated along with Jews.
    I think a bigger question might be how we would stop them.

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    It is almost like Jews do not mind the near genocide and Inquisitions that Jews have been subjected to, --- thanks to Christianity.
    Plenty of books have been written to publicize the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Clearly, jesus, christianity and islam have standing in judaism.
    If they do then Jews are not nearly as bright as I thought they were.

    Christians have persecuted them and Islam have had them pay the jizra in the past and do not respect them today.

    To me, both Christianity and Islam just used the old age and respect the Jews once enjoyed to capitalize on history to make their second class religions, as compared to Jewry, especially the best which is Karaite Jewry, to further their own poor ideologies.

    I think it a shame that the Jews do not have the balls to say that loud and clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Clearly, jesus, christianity and islam have standing in judaism.
    Not in determining Jewish law, or in determining what Judaism and Jewish texts mean. You do not get a say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    ... Jewry, especially the best which is Karaite Jewry ...
    Karaite Jewry actually relies as much on oral tradition as "Rabbinic" Judaism relies on the oral Torah. There are things in the Torah that simply cannot be determined without the oral law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I think a bigger question might be how we would stop them.


    Plenty of books have been written to publicize the issues.
    You might not be able to stop what happened in the past, but Jews can denounce both Christianity and Islam as the religious thieves and plagiarizers they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Karaite Jewry actually relies as much on oral tradition as "Rabbinic" Judaism relies on the oral Torah. There are things in the Torah that simply cannot be determined without the oral law.
    You would know of that better than I. I just put Karaite Jewry above most religions because it's overall ideology closely resembles Gnostic Christianity which I think is the best of the ideologies, be they religious or political.

    We both strive against God more than for him, even as we seek his best form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    ... Jews can denounce both Christianity and Islam as the religious thieves and plagiarizers they are.
    Discussions continue as they always have. However, pointing accusatory fingers and name-calling help no one. It did not help convert Jews to Xianity or Islam, and it will not help Jews to behave that way toward Xians and Muslims. If anything, it would have the opposite effect.

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    If they do then Jews are not nearly as bright as I thought they were.
    That is your opinion.

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    Christians have persecuted them and Islam have had them pay the jizra in the past and do not respect them today.
    And the synagogue have persecuted christians in the past. What of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    To me, both Christianity and Islam just used the old age and respect the Jews once enjoyed to capitalize on history to make their second class religions, as compared to Jewry, especially the best which is Karaite Jewry, to further their own poor ideologies.

    I think it a shame that the Jews do not have the balls to say that loud and clear.

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    Nonsense.

    Jesus was a jew. The apostles were jews. The early christians were jews. Christianity started out as a jewish sect. If not for christianity, judaism would never have gained 'respect' since it has always been a religion apart from everyone else (which is what ian reminds everyone in this forum every chance he gets).

    Oh, and don't get me started with gnosticism, which started out as a parasite in judaism, appropriating this and that idea and twisting them to an unrecognizable mess. When it became clear to the gnostics that christianity was becoming the more dominant religion, it conveniently attached itself to christianity.

    No one really knows when or who exactly started gnosticism, and what exactly is its relationship to christianity and judaism. And yet, you have the temerity to arrogate for yourself the truth of jesus' message above everyone else.

    Who exactly are the 'thieves', I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Is God competent or incompetent?

    We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

    God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

    I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
    God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
    God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
    God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
    God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
    God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

    Do you agree?

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    OOPS!

    He didn't create us evil. He created us with the ability to make choices, we chose to not do what he asked, we chose evil, before we did that there was NO death. The wages of sin is death. Now we deal with sin and death... but he also provided us with another option, another choice. Accept the free gift of salvation through His Son by admitting we are sinners and that He loves us enough to take our place, this is called propitiation.

    You cannot understand darkness unless you have experienced light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not in determining Jewish law, or in determining what Judaism and Jewish texts mean. You do not get a say.
    The same way you do not get a say with christianity, and what christian dogma mean -- although that doesn't stop you from telling christians what the trinity ought to mean to christians. Sounds hypocritical, if you ask me.

    However, you were wrong to say that christianity had no standing in judaism, as jewish encyclopedia explicitly states. You started out with 'jesus has no standing in judaism, even as a rabbi' and ended with, as far as jewish law and texts are concerned. That is an amazing piece of intellectual back-pedaling.

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