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    Is God competent or incompetent?

    Is God competent or incompetent?

    We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

    God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

    I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
    God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
    God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
    God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
    God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
    God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

    Do you agree?

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    That's like saying a screenwriter is incompetent because he created a story that includes bad and stupid characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    hes an absentee landlord.......

    Not to say I agree, but that's a great movie. I have a copy on DVD.

    As to the OP question, I cannot agree. Humans cannot judge G-d's competence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not to say I agree, but that's a great movie. I have a copy on DVD.

    As to the OP question, I cannot agree. Humans cannot judge G-d's competence.

    The line works great for an answer though..... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Is God competent or incompetent?

    We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

    God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

    I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
    God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
    God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
    God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
    God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
    God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

    Do you agree?

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    Satan's failure was not a failure of God's it was a failure of Satan.. If Satan was a Success he would have overthrown God, and God would not have the power to banish him from Heaven

    God is a Success he gave us a choice, and Created heaven for those that CHOSE to be with him and Created Separation for those that DO NOT WANT to be with him.
    which is perfection both get their wish.

    I am sorry you appear to be chosing to be separate from God. but he is so PERFECT in his creation he let you go where you want to go..

    So You just proved that GOD isn't incompetent, but that SATAN and YOU ARE the incompetents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    That's like saying a screenwriter is incompetent because he created a story that includes bad and stupid characters.
    Not quite.

    Do screen writers kill off their characters when they do not do as the writer likes?

    Speak to the issues and stop trying to deflect please. I know it is tough if you are a believer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not to say I agree, but that's a great movie. I have a copy on DVD.

    As to the OP question, I cannot agree. Humans cannot judge G-d's competence.
    Yet Christian scriptures tell us to do just that.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

    You say we cannot judge God yet you have judged God to be good. Right?

    If you can judge some of the characteristics of God, as you do, why restric yourself to just the things you think are good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Satan's failure was not a failure of God's it was a failure of Satan..
    If your child is born with a certain disease, it is not his failure but the failure of you passing down healthy genes.

    Right?

    I do not expect an honest answer.

    If Satan was a Success he would have overthrown God, and God would not have the power to banish him from Heaven
    The fact that God created someone he had to banish from heaven shows his incompetence.

    God is a Success he gave us a choice, and Created heaven for those that CHOSE to be with him and Created Separation for those that DO NOT WANT to be with him.
    Not wanting to be with God should not mean that God should create a place of torture and death. That is just satanically mean.

    Do you curse and wish to torture and kill all those you do not agree with?

    If so you are as big of a prick as your vengeful God.

    which is perfection both get their wish.
    How stupid to think that humans who reject your genocidal son murdering prick of a God would wish for torture and death.

    You do not seem to be too bright in your thinking.

    I am sorry you appear to be chosing to be separate from God. but he is so PERFECT in his creation he let you go where you want to go..
    See above and note that if you do not separate yourself from your genocidal son murdering God, you are sucking up to a satanic God and not a good God.

    So You just proved that GOD isn't incompetent, but that SATAN and YOU ARE the incompetents...
    Satan, incompetent?

    Tell us my friend, God murders many in scriptures while Satan only kills a few.

    Who is the more competent murderer?

    Regards
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    Is God competent or incompetent?

    Depends... Are you a Saints fan, or a Vikings fan?
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