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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Gnostic Christians are free thinkers who seek God perpetually. God as defined by the best rules and laws to live life by.

    Do you really think that all or most rules from hundreds of years ago or even thousands of years ago should apply to modern man or modern Gnostic Christians?

    Your belief system may not have progressed by Gnostic Christianity certainly has.

    That is why you should ask about our beliefs instead or trying to tell us what we believe based on old stuff that was likely written by those who used Inquisitions against us.

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    So you did make a claim veiled as a question.

    What do you define as supernatural?

    Which inquisition were you referring to and how was it used against you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    The true reason for conflict is that all atoms fight over energy within the same relative space.

    Conflict is a part of nature. However abstract that sounds.
    I agree and would not want to end the conflict of competition in our evolution, as we would likely go extinct, but a conflict on supernatural based ideas is stupid and possibly insane.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    So you did make a claim veiled as a question.

    What do you define as supernatural?

    Which inquisition were you referring to and how was it used against you?
    Not against me but against those who created Gnostic Christianity. As to supernatural, go by the dictionary. I have not invented a new term.

    Your first is garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You cannot mandate thoughts, I agree.

    You can mandate what is publicly taught.

    If we teach the right things to think, then the wrong thinking will likely not happen near as much as it does today.

    Note how teaching evolution and comparative religions is reducing the brain dead creationist numbers.

    The more we teach of the idiocy of supernatural belief, the fewer nut jobs society will have to tolerate.

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    Is it easier to change 1,000s of years of belief, teachings and messages - or - understand how little you can actually change and find a way to be happy regardless?

    I had to answer that question about 10 years ago and the later was far more reasonable.

    The realization that religion, Santa Claus, racism/bigotry, abortion, etc will exist long after our bones are dust, and that the only way we can affect those thing is to simply lead by example and be the person you expect everyone else to be.

    It may seem hard to find peace among things you find to be so disturbing and that's totally natural, however if I could give you some advice: it will drive you crazy long before you can change anything - and by then people stop listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Is it easier to change 1,000s of years of belief, teachings and messages - or - understand how little you can actually change and find a way to be happy regardless?
    I am a happy guy. Ask my wife and kids.

    If you can be happy by ignoring the harm that religions do to the women and gays in your family with their homophobia and misogyny, have at it.

    I have a social conscience and have an obligation to try to leave what I was born into in a better condition than what I found.

    I also believe this adage. For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, or in this case, think changing 1,000 years of evil thinking too hard to try.

    I had to answer that question about 10 years ago and the later was far more reasonable.
    Timing and other conditions are always factors. I began doing this and then chose to stop for about 20 years but did get back to it when my other life conditions allowed it.

    The realization that religion, Santa Claus, racism/bigotry, abortion, etc will exist long after our bones are dust, and that the only way we can affect those thing is to simply lead by example and be the person you expect everyone else to be.
    Kudos on this but and you might be right, but if the person you want others to see is one that does not tackle a problem because he thinks it too difficult, then between you and I, that is not much of an example.

    Imagine what a crappy world we would be living in if none of us had tackled the harder problems and had not changed minds and hearts.

    It may seem hard to find peace among things you find to be so disturbing and that's totally natural, however if I could give you some advice: it will drive you crazy long before you can change anything - and by then people stop listening.
    Better to be crazy than to not participate fully in being human, which includes tackling problems.

    Remember the Golden rule and what you would want done to you if you were following a poor and immoral ideology.

    You would want correcting and just because the religious are indoctrinated to the point of moral and intellectual dissonance, does not mean that they would want us to give up on them, given the harm that they are collectively doing to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    I don't know a person that believes the Universe is a cosmic accident and not a creation by design is more stupid
    I agree, we all know Zeus. Controls it all..he has a guy dragging the sun across the sky as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Better to be crazy than to not participate fully in being human, which includes tackling problems.

    Remember the Golden rule and what you would want done to you if you were following a poor and immoral ideology.

    You would want correcting and just because the religious are indoctrinated to the point of moral and intellectual dissonance, does not mean that they would want us to give up on them, given the harm that they are collectively doing to society.

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    I guess we'll have to disagree then. From experience, it was futile. I'm a much happier person today and there is plenty I don't agree with in this world.

    I have laugh lines now so, it's turned out great.

    I appreciate your tenacity though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Not against me but against those who created Gnostic Christianity.
    So, you have issues that happened a thousand years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    As to supernatural, go by the dictionary. I have not invented a new term.
    Simple epistemological question: How do you know that a claim is natural or supernatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Your first is garbage.

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    You asked a question based on the premise that certain people are stupid. Is that correct or are you going to lie about this one too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    It doesn't prove they aren't either.

    When you guys can prove to us that God isn't real then you can call us stupid.

    Your "guessing" doesn't cut it.

    When you can prove there is no Santa then you can call us stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    I guess we'll have to disagree then. From experience, it was futile. I'm a much happier person today and there is plenty I don't agree with in this world.

    I have laugh lines now so, it's turned out great.

    I appreciate your tenacity though.
    You should see my laugh lines.

    My wife complains that I make her leak at least once a day.

    Thanks for the chat.

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