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    Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them?

    Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them?

    People, I hope, are not foolish or gullible enough to really believe in the talking serpent and donkey of the bible nor the 72 virgins ot the Qur’an. I also hope their gullibility is not broad enough to have them swallow all the other supernatural ideas floated by religions. The ancients intelligently knew that nothing could be known of the supernatural.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Modern priests, preachers and imams ignore the unknowability of the supernatural constantly while lying to us about the Gods.

    I do not want to believe that we are as gullible as some people seem to be.

    Why then do you think we knowingly pay and suport priests, preachers and imams, perpetual liars in my view, to lie to us?

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    But if there is no way of deciphering the supernatural, how do we know theists are lying? I don't believe religious claims for God, either, but how can we actually fact-check religious claims?
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    Another possibility is that, at one time, magical and supernatural powers did exist, but a God or a Higher Intelligence revoked them when he decided humans had reached a point where they were more capable of using the scientific method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    But if there is no way of deciphering the supernatural, how do we know theists are lying? I don't believe religious claims for God, either, but how can we actually fact-check religious claims?
    Partly by what they say I guess.

    Things like what follows indicates they do not want their people to think coherently or intelligently.

    Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
    “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

    Also in this link.

    http://imgur.com/IBroXK9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Another possibility is that, at one time, magical and supernatural powers did exist, but a God or a Higher Intelligence revoked them when he decided humans had reached a point where they were more capable of using the scientific method.
    Sorry. I do not see that as a possibility.

    It would mean God screwing with our free will as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them?

    People, I hope, are not foolish or gullible enough to really believe in the talking serpent and donkey of the bible nor the 72 virgins ot the Qur’an. I also hope their gullibility is not broad enough to have them swallow all the other supernatural ideas floated by religions. The ancients intelligently knew that nothing could be known of the supernatural.

    What is God? - Video | Big Think

    Modern priests, preachers and imams ignore the unknowability of the supernatural constantly while lying to us about the Gods.

    I do not want to believe that we are as gullible as some people seem to be.

    Why then do you think we knowingly pay and suport priests, preachers and imams, perpetual liars in my view, to lie to us?

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    But the only thing foolish here is your understanding of it.

    The bible is a collection of literary genres -- myths, genealogies, historical events, psalms, prophecies, etc. The genesis creation narrative is a myth and to think that other people do not understand it as a myth is quite stupid, indeed.

    The only question now is how I would impress this to you without hurting your feelings?

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    Thomas Jefferson had it right:

    Deism[edit]
    Deism is a humanist theological position (though encompassing a wide variety of view-points) concerning God's relationship with the natural world which emerged during the scientific revolution of 17th-century Europe and came to exert a powerful influence during the 18th-century enlightenment.
    Deists reject atheism,[11] and there were a number of different types of deists in the 17th and 18th century.
    Deism holds that God does not intervene with the functioning of the natural world in any way, allowing it to run according to the laws of nature that he configured when he created all things. Because God does not control or interfere with his self-sustaining Creation, its component systems work in concert to achieve the balanced natural processes that make up the physical world. As such, Human beings are "free agents in a free world." A "free agent" is someone who has authority and ability to choose his/her actions and who may make mistakes. A "free world" is one which ordinarily operates as it is designed to operate and permits the consequential properties of failure and accident to be experienced by its inhabitants. God is thus conceived to be wholly transcendent and never immanent. For deists, human beings can only know God via reason and the observation of nature but not by revelation or supernatural manifestations (such as miracles)—phenomena which deists regard with caution if not skepticism.
    Christian deism is one of several branches of deism to have come about over time:
    No proof necessary, and very little faith required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Thomas Jefferson had it right:



    No proof necessary, and very little faith required.
    If something doesn't manifest within the real, common-sense world, what is the point of postulating it in the first place?

    As I understand it, most people in this forum accept the premise that, for every fact, there must be a reason for it to be so. The universe is a fact for which (according to your definition of theism), no sufficient reason exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them?

    People, I hope, are not foolish or gullible enough to really believe in the talking serpent and donkey of the bible nor the 72 virgins ot the Qur’an. I also hope their gullibility is not broad enough to have them swallow all the other supernatural ideas floated by religions. The ancients intelligently knew that nothing could be known of the supernatural.

    What is God? - Video | Big Think

    Modern priests, preachers and imams ignore the unknowability of the supernatural constantly while lying to us about the Gods.

    I do not want to believe that we are as gullible as some people seem to be.

    Why then do you think we knowingly pay and suport priests, preachers and imams, perpetual liars in my view, to lie to us?

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    Only stupid people believe in talking animals.

    Which apparently you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    But the only thing foolish here is your understanding of it.

    The bible is a collection of literary genres -- myths, genealogies, historical events, psalms, prophecies, etc. The genesis creation narrative is a myth and to think that other people do not understand it as a myth is quite stupid, indeed.

    The only question now is how I would impress this to you without hurting your feelings?
    You can start by not lying to us while ignoring that about 70% of all Christians believe in a literal Satan and even more believe in a literal Jesus.

    Do you have something other than lies to contribute?

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