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    An all-powerful entity is incapable of sacrifice. In order to sacrifice, you have to give up something that results in a net subtraction to you. Giving up a kidney is a sacrifice. Donating blood is a good thing - but not a sacrifice. Even spending time working at a soup kitchen is a sacrifice, since you're giving up your time - which is finite.

    But subtraction from the infinite isn't possible. Therefore, that which is infinite is incapable of sacrifice.
    You mean algebraically? Infinity minus infinity = zero.

    In calculus, the algebra of (very large or very small numbers), the value of a function as it approaches infinity is a real number.

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    You mean algebraically? Infinity minus infinity = zero.

    In calculus, the algebra of (very large or very small numbers), the value of a function as it approaches infinity is a real number.
    Fair enough - An all-powerful entity could sacrifice itself by completely extinguishing its existence. But short of that measure, there's no way an all-powerful entity can accomplish an act of sacrifice.
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    Fair enough - An all-powerful entity could sacrifice itself by completely extinguishing its existence. But short of that measure, there's no way an all-powerful entity can accomplish an act of sacrifice.
    As I already said, jesus was truly human and truly divine. The incarnation is a mystery.

    But that was not the sacrifice. The sacrifice is accepting man's judgment instead of the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    As I already said, jesus was truly human and truly divine. The incarnation is a mystery.

    But that was not the sacrifice. The sacrifice is accepting man's judgment instead of the other way around.
    So all the painful crucifixion nonsense was just showbiz for the human marks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    As I already said, jesus was truly human and truly divine. The incarnation is a mystery.

    But that was not the sacrifice. The sacrifice is accepting man's judgment instead of the other way around.
    That's not a sacrifice. Jesus was incapable of true death; and God could have recreated Jesus good-as-new with literally no expenditure of effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    So all the painful crucifixion nonsense was just showbiz for the human marks?
    What is your point? Are you saying that the salvation of mankind could have been effected other than the crucifixion? Perhaps. What theology is saying is that jesus needed to die to demonstrate god's power over death -- which represents radical evil.

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    The entire crucifixion and resurrection scenario is absurd. Why didn't God just forgive the sins of humanity without the irrational charade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    That's not a sacrifice. Jesus was incapable of true death; and God could have recreated Jesus good-as-new with literally no expenditure of effort.
    Why isn't it a sacrifice? Jesus agonized over his impending death prior to his arrest, did he not? Clearly, he would rather not go through with it, except that the salvation that was to be effected required it.

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    The entire crucifixion and resurrection scenario is absurd. Why didn't God just forgive the sins of humanity without the irrational charade?
    Isn't that how you show your love for someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Why isn't it a sacrifice? Jesus agonized over his impending death prior to his arrest, did he not? Clearly, he would rather not go through with it, except that the salvation that was to be effected required it.
    He knew in advance that eternal rewards awaited him beyond death. Furthermore, he knew that God was capable of restoring him whole again.

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