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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Please explain the origins of the universe to me and how you came to that conclusion and why you believe it?

    I have problems BOTH with SOME people who claim to believe in God or the TEACHINGS of anyone, be it science OR religious TEACHINGS......

    At the same time, I HAVE to believe in something or I would simply NOT be able to function. I speculate (BELIEVE, HAVE A BELIEF) about the unexplained as well as the "EXPLAINED".......I can be skeptical of either, based on my brain, for some reason trying to make sense of something, and trying to make sense of it, based on collective knowledge and thoughts/beliefs, of others.

    While I appreciate your skepticism of those who believe in god(s), I don't understand a need to be either totally for or totally against something like religious belief. Unless someone is trying to FORCE their beliefs, either religious or that no one should believe in religion on me and others or harming people as a result, why should I care what someone believes?
    The emphasised part is the basis of the conflict. I don't care what "someone else believes". Unfortunately, militant theists do everything they can, from proselytising, to using to the government, to acts of violence, to impose their religious beliefs on everyone. There are a couple of theistic groups I pretty much leave alone - pagans, and Jews. The reason is none of them spend any time trying to convince me I am wrong, immoral, irrational, or illogical for demanding that acceptance of the existence of a creator requires objective, verifiable evidence. They leave me alone, I leave them alone. The rest? Well, if they would like to be left alone to their personal beliefs, then they should keep their fucking beliefs personal! Stop practising bigotry in your business practices, stop using the secular government to attempt to impose your religious values on everyone else, stop engaging in acts of violence to disrupt those who do not agree with you. So long as you (general "you", not you specifically, KnotaFrayed) engage in any of these behaviour, then you have chosen to surrender your right to whine "Leave my personal beliefs alone!" because you chose not to keep your personal beliefs fucking personal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    ... With religion. I love logic, though I don't always utilize it in my life. Religion is totally illogical to me. I simply can't have faith in the Bible. I would love to, I really would, but I can't.
    I suppose I'm from the if there is no tangible proof, no solid reference then its bullshit angle. Maybe I'm far too cynical. Plus, all the contradictions the Bible contains makes it impossible to believe for me.
    Plus, and this isn't meant as an insult, but rather an observation, many Christians are pretty ignorant. I'm not so sure I want to be among them.
    I just don't understand religion. All it is is a way to alleviate the fear of dying. No one wants to die, we all think about it, and it's scary. Religion makes that easier I guess, but in the end, doesn't deliver its promise.
    Except, religion doesn't seek to answer logical questions. Leaving aside the flat earthers, etc., it addresses the apparently universal human needs to find meaning in life, to make peace with the injustice in the world, and to feel the random nature of existence has some higher power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Except, religion doesn't seek to answer logical questions. Leaving aside the flat earthers, etc., it addresses the apparently universal human needs to find meaning in life, to make peace with the injustice in the world, and to feel the random nature of existence has some higher power.
    I function on one logical level though. Many people do. The Bible should also have functioned on the same level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I function on one logical level though. Many people do. The Bible should also have functioned on the same level.
    The people who wrote the Bible had vastly different concerns than you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The people who wrote the Bible had vastly different concerns than you have.
    That's very obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Except, religion doesn't seek to answer logical questions. Leaving aside the flat earthers, etc., it addresses the apparently universal human needs to find meaning in life, to make peace with the injustice in the world, and to feel the random nature of existence has some higher power.
    Sorry to disagree. Theists do not assert that God exists as a philosophical concept. They insist that he exists as an objective reality. That brings the question of God squarely into the arena of logic, and science. If a thing objectively exists, then there would be objective evidence of such existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Sorry to disagree. Theists do not assert that God exists as a philosophical concept. They insist that he exists as an objective reality. That brings the question of God squarely into the arena of logic, and science. If a thing objectively exists, then there would be objective evidence of such existence.
    Well said. And that is where those theists are wrong and skew belief into some sort of tangible reality that I can then hand to my friend. It doesn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The people who wrote the Bible had vastly different concerns than you have.
    Then why is it considered relevant today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    Then why is it considered relevant today?
    Why is The Constitution considered relevant today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Why is The Constitution considered relevant today?
    Because the Constitution was written to be a document that would be consistently relevant, and applicable regardless of cultural, technological, or intellectual changes, and advancements. Your comment implies that the Bible can only be understood, and properly applied if read in the context of the ancient desert dwellers who wrote it. If that is the case, then why should it be recognised as anything other than an archaic book of old myths with no real relevance to today's culture?

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