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    Here's my problem...

    ... With religion. I love logic, though I don't always utilize it in my life. Religion is totally illogical to me. I simply can't have faith in the Bible. I would love to, I really would, but I can't.
    I suppose I'm from the if there is no tangible proof, no solid reference then its bullshit angle. Maybe I'm far too cynical. Plus, all the contradictions the Bible contains makes it impossible to believe for me.
    Plus, and this isn't meant as an insult, but rather an observation, many Christians are pretty ignorant. I'm not so sure I want to be among them.
    I just don't understand religion. All it is is a way to alleviate the fear of dying. No one wants to die, we all think about it, and it's scary. Religion makes that easier I guess, but in the end, doesn't deliver its promise.
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    Knight, you have found something upon which we agree. I just do not think that religious people are ignorant but rather I think they are gullible. They want that belief in an afterlife so badly. I think someone came up with religion as a way of saying, "Yes, your life sucks now but if you don't uprise, and you behave you will have a better afterlife." And it worked.

    However, religion has its good sides. Trust me, if I were to be down on my luck, you can bet that I'd be visiting churches, synagogs, and temples to find people for handouts. They are the best source of people looking to do good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Knight, you have found something upon which we agree. I just do not think that religious people are ignorant but rather I think they are gullible. They want that belief in an afterlife so badly. I think someone came up with religion as a way of saying, "Yes, your life sucks now but if you don't uprise, and you behave you will have a better afterlife." And it worked.

    However, religion has its good sides. Trust me, if I were to be down on my luck, you can bet that I'd be visiting churches, synagogs, and temples to find people for handouts. They are the best source of people looking to do good.
    The bad part is I thought like this when I was very young...like 7 or 8.

    Another angle is lack of proof. There isn't a person here, with very few exceptions, who can prove I exist. I'm just words on a screen. But, I'm far more provable than any Bible character.
    Given that, how can you prove Jesus ever existed?
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    Even if a person could prove it to themselves (they say they've seen God, spoken to God, felt the presence) it is very very difficult to prove that to someone else. That is a fact, regardless of if a person really had an experience.

    With that said, wouldn't it be a very difficult thing to ask someone to prove to you? That's a lot of pressure to place on someone, knowing full well they won't be able to do it even if God was real.

    To me that is very fascinating but it's also going nowhere.

    For instance, if I caught God on film and then posted it to Youtube, even then people wouldn't believe it (understandably) as it's not enough proof. People have to experience it for themselves.

    When I was a kid I was told by an adult that those who don't believe or don't have faith are left behind, already. God does not accept those people into his kingdom. While that sounds completely fucked up and opposite of an all welcoming higher power, many people believe that is true.
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    It also goes back to interpretation. Even under the general category of Christianity, there are many different ways the words of one book are interpreted. It shouldn't be a choice of picking which version of the story you like the best. It should stand on its own...if it is the word of God, then it should be agreed upon by all.
    It isn't, and people are willing to kill you and die for the way you think.
    Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    ... With religion. I love logic, though I don't always utilize it in my life. Religion is totally illogical to me. I simply can't have faith in the Bible. I would love to, I really would, but I can't.
    I suppose I'm from the if there is no tangible proof, no solid reference then its bullshit angle. Maybe I'm far too cynical. Plus, all the contradictions the Bible contains makes it impossible to believe for me.
    Plus, and this isn't meant as an insult, but rather an observation, many Christians are pretty ignorant. I'm not so sure I want to be among them.
    I just don't understand religion. All it is is a way to alleviate the fear of dying. No one wants to die, we all think about it, and it's scary. Religion makes that easier I guess, but in the end, doesn't deliver its promise.
    Please explain the origins of the universe to me and how you came to that conclusion and why you believe it?

    I have problems BOTH with SOME people who claim to believe in God or the TEACHINGS of anyone, be it science OR religious TEACHINGS......

    At the same time, I HAVE to believe in something or I would simply NOT be able to function. I speculate (BELIEVE, HAVE A BELIEF) about the unexplained as well as the "EXPLAINED".......I can be skeptical of either, based on my brain, for some reason trying to make sense of something, and trying to make sense of it, based on collective knowledge and thoughts/beliefs, of others.

    While I appreciate your skepticism of those who believe in god(s), I don't understand a need to be either totally for or totally against something like religious belief. Unless someone is trying to FORCE their beliefs, either religious or that no one should believe in religion on me and others or harming people as a result, why should I care what someone believes?

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    I was just thinking about people from different faiths that I have talked to, and catholics seem to be the smartest, along with those of the Jewish faith. I talked quite a lot to a catholic person several years ago, and was impressed by his knowledge. Not enough to join his church, but he was pretty sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Please explain the origins of the universe to me and how you came to that conclusion and why you believe it?

    I have problems BOTH with SOME people who claim to believe in God or the TEACHINGS of anyone, be it science OR religious TEACHINGS......

    At the same time, I HAVE to believe in something or I would simply NOT be able to function. I speculate (BELIEVE, HAVE A BELIEF) about the unexplained as well as the "EXPLAINED".......I can be skeptical of either, based on my brain, for some reason trying to make sense of something, and trying to make sense of it, based on collective knowledge and thoughts/beliefs, of others.

    While I appreciate your skepticism of those who believe in god(s), I don't understand a need to be either totally for or totally against something like religious belief. Unless someone is trying to FORCE their beliefs, either religious or that no one should believe in religion on me and others or harming people as a result, why should I care what someone believes?
    The origin of the universe? I have no clue, and I'm okay with that. No one knows...that includes Christians.

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    I also have a problem with most religion because it makes no sense. You're right, it is illogical. People have tried to tell me it's not about making sense and you just have to believe, but my mind just does not work like that. Some Christians tell me that works have nothing to do with it. You can do whatever you want but as long as you accept Jesus as your savior, then you're good to go. As someone who was raised Catholic, that goes against what I was taught.

    The other thing that bothers me about most religions is that you must praise and worship God all the time. And if you don't pray to him all the time bad things will happen to you. That's an insecure god you've got there. Why would I worship something/someone as needy as that?

    I have a friend on FB who insisted that Sandy Hook happened because we took prayer out of schools. How does that work? Because those little kids didn't pray to God enough he either caused or allowed them to be slaughtered. Again, that's not a God I'm interested in having anything to do with.

    I don't say all this to insult religious people. I say it because that's how my mind works and I don't blindly follow anyone or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I also have a problem with most religion because it makes no sense. You're right, it is illogical. People have tried to tell me it's not about making sense and you just have to believe, but my just mind does not work like that. Some Christians tell me that works have nothing to do with it. You can do whatever you want but as long as you accept Jesus as your savior, then you're good to go. As someone who was raised Catholic, that goes against what I was taught.

    The other thing that bothers me about most religions is that you must praise and worship God all the time. And if you don't pray to him all the time bad things will happen to you. That's an insecure god you've got there. Why would I worship something/someone as needy as that?

    I have a friend on FB who insisted that Sandy Hook happened because we took prayer out of schools. How does that work? Because those little kids didn't pray to God enough he either caused or allowed them to be slaughtered. Again, that's not a God I'm interested in having anything to do with.

    I don't say all this to insult religious people. I say it because that's how my mind works and I don't blindly follow anyone or anything.
    Well said.
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