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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Is there a philosophical, or religious basis for the laws of a country to let a random dude being able to shoot his own country folk about a school, theater, concert, etc., etc.?

    I understand the concept of death that drives us all in some way.

    I knew someone from Tahiti who wanted to get a gun a few of years ago, so he could shoot dead a random person - preferably one with immigrant background, even though he was an immigrant himself.

    He said he just wanted to have that sort of power, that sort of freedom.

    I disagreed, and tried to talk him out of it.

    Thankfully, being in France, the best he could do was playing Call Of Duty.

    But, to make a story short, he ended up throwing himself under a high speed train.

    I think it's sad that he killed himself, but I'm glad he never had the freedom to go postal on other innocent people.

    And precisely why would a country grant such an insane freedom to its citizens?
    Unfortunately, you're just ignorant on the issue so your question is frankly idiotic.



    https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/co...us-and-europe/

    Charles Blow in the New York Times last year made the very common argument: “America has the highest gun homicide rate, the highest number of guns per capita . . . .” In another story, the New York Times quotes researcher David Hemenway as claiming: “Generally, if you live in a civilized society, more guns mean more death.” CNN’s Piers Morgan believes: “America has the worst incidents of gun murders of any of what they call the civilized world.” Bloomberg’s Businessweek also made similar claims this spring. The one common feature for these claims is that they rely on the Small Arms Survey.

    So how do homicide rates compare across countries? (Click on figures to make them larger. It is necessary to greatly enlarge the picture to read the names of individual countries. UNODC data. Here it is as an Excel file.)


    I encourage you to actually do some empirical research before assuming things. It makes you look stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    So the core problem is easy access to guns, correct?
    Oui, that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Violence is not an American problem, but we do glorify it. We do fail to offer suitable care to people who can't manage their rage, etc. We do assure that military-grade weapons are freely on offer to the public. And we do inculcate completely unrealistic expectations through our media.

    But none of this would result in mass murders on the scale they occur in the U.S. if it weren't for the easy access to guns, especially assault weapons.
    Don't forget to give credit to movies and video games for teaching our "youts" about mass killings.

    ESPECIALLY video games...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Don't forget to give credit to movies and video games for teaching our "youts" about mass killings.

    ESPECIALLY video games...
    Those games are all over the world and are played all over the world.

    Try again. What is the uncommon denominator in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    But why only in the last 20 years? Why were there so few mass shootings prior? Assault weapons have been sold since the 1960s but why is the mass shootings, specifically school shootings only the last 20?
    Video games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Those games are all over the world and are played all over the world.

    Try again. What is the uncommon denominator in that?
    Easy access to guns.

    Bullying.

    Violent movies.

    And ESPECIALLY video games which glorify violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Video games.
    How come China, Japan and India don't have the same mass shootings? Games are as popular, if not more popular in those countries. The same video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Easy access to guns.

    Bullying.

    Violent movies.

    And ESPECIALLY video games which glorify violence.
    So video games aren't a problem if there is no easy access to guns.

    Thank you for countering your own point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    So video games aren't a problem if there is no easy access to guns.

    Thank you for countering your own point.
    Lets outlaw violent video games as well as guns, eh?

    And then cars.

    Fertilizer bombs.

    Cigarettes.

    Drugs.

    Fast food.

    All kill lots of people, directly or indirectly.

    Perhaps we should all live like the Amish...

    We'd live longer, but would we enjoy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    How come China, Japan and India don't have the same mass shootings? Games are as popular, if not more popular in those countries. The same video games.
    The FBI definition of mass public shootings excludes “shootings that resulted from gang or drug violence” or that were part of some other crime. The FBI also defines “public” places as “includ[ing] commercial areas (divided into malls, businesses open to pedestrian traffic, and businesses closed to pedestrian traffic), educational environments (divided into schools [pre-kindergarten through 12th grade] and IHEs), open spaces, government properties (divided into military and other government properties), houses of worship, and health care facilities.” A report by the New York Police Department has a very similar definition. The 33 worst mass public shootings all have at least 15 people who were shot to death.

    The terrorist attacks by Al-Shabaab in Kenya, Boko Haram in Nigeria, Lashkar-e-Taiba in India, and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Pakistan are the same as the ISIS attacks in France. They are the same regarding the weapons used, the number of attackers, and the choice of targets. All of those countries define these as Islamic terrorist attacks, not battles over national sovereignty. Thus far the US has been lucky that the Orlando, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, and Chattanooga, Tennessee terrorists simply haven’t yet been on the same scale nor have any of them used the machine guns used in these attacks abroad.

    Mass shootings were excluded if they were part of a war over sovereignty or ones done by the government. If one were to include these cases, the list would include many more attacks in such places as the UK, Israel, the Phillippines, and Russia. In the case of Russia, I excluded five shootings that were part of the Russian-Chechen conflict. The most deadly was the Beslan School siege of September 1, 2004, which left 385 dead and another 783 wounded. The other cases for Russia are listed at the end.

    Deaths from mass public shootings where at least 15 people have been killed (1970 through February 14, 2018)
    https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...-the-world.png

    Africa, Australia, Israel, and the Philippines all have much higher per capita death rates from these large mass public shooters than the US. Indeed, even Europe’s rate for all countries whose borders are within Europe is 20% higher than the US’s. By contrast, the per capita rates in India and Pakistan are fairly similar to that in the US. Indeed the death rate in the US is only about 7% higher than in India and Pakistan. The US makes up about 4.4% of the world of the population (322.8m/7.411b) and accounts for 4.1% of the deaths from these attacks.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2018/02/wi...united-states/

    Japan has one of the lowest murder rates period in the world. Their suicide rates are much more of a problem, being around 60% higher than average.

    Remember why we had to nuke two Japanese cities to end WW2? Because of kamikazes, they wouldn't surrender. Seems to me like it's a cultural issue if anything else.
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