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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    That's very plausible. Apparently the most common answer to "how many close friends do you have" today among kids is zero.



    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolin.../#579bbf6d7c35

    Nobody seems to want to talk or even acknowledge that.
    The root of this problem is not guns. It is what we have taught our children. We teach more by example and by what we as a society now stand for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats worldwide. I would look at things like healthcare access and psychotropic drugs like Adderall..
    And anti-depressants handed out like candy. But yeah, there are too many on Adderall...4 different amphetamines. Wowser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Yes, that could be something.

    But let's not get too far off point.

    The original point was that video games were the cause, or a cause of mass shootings.
    And the followup point was that video games are played in many countries that don't have mass shootings.

    So while video games or isolation in general can be a cause of suicide in those countries, it's conversational but not the point at all.
    I don't think they're a cause for a normal person. I play Assassins Creed and I don't climb up the side of buildings and stab people. But when someone has a head full of broken glass, then video games could be a very negative influence. We know the Sandy Hook shooter was a) socially isolated and b) played a lot of games. One of the things that struck me about that was reading how often he reloaded. He would drop half full magazines to reload. Now tactical reloads are one thing. But this was excessive. And then I realized: he learned that behavior from FPS games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I would say both put together. You have an isolated teen that gets lost in the world of killing. I saw a program where parents sent their kid to a camp because they were worried what the outcome would be if he continued like that.
    Sounds like terrible parents. Instead of taking away the video games and tossing the little guy outside - they let it go until it reached a point they needed to 'do something'

    Perhaps carpe diem is onto something about morals. We have a seriously neglectful standard among parents, evidently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    You're stating that a loss of moral fiber is the cause of mass shootings?
    YES - The argument is "they" should do something about this. Not "we" or "I" should do something about this. The last 20 years of mass shootings at schools in the US is a direct result in our losing our moral compass, adopting the liberal thought process where we are not personally responsible for our actions and if we happen to do something heinous it must be some kind if disease - removing any responsibility entirely. Heck, the first thing looked for in every shooting is some kind of bullying. "See, he/they made me do it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    I don't think they're a cause for a normal person. I play Assassins Creed and I don't climb up the side of buildings and stab people. But when someone has a head full of broken glass, then video games could be a very negative influence. We know the Sandy Hook shooter was a) socially isolated and b) played a lot of games. One of the things that struck me about that was reading how often he reloaded. He would drop half full magazines to reload. Now tactical reloads are one thing. But this was excessive. And then I realized: he learned that behavior from FPS games.
    He did what was known as a Call of Duty reload, where it's customary to reload after every burst of shots because in the game, the remaining bullets from the 1st mag is loaded into your inventory of ammo, not dropped to the ground.

    To me I see video games as no different than television shows, magazines, enthusiast forums, news articles, books - it's all media and has been utilized by harmless and harmful people alike. Ruling it as any 'cause' is a bit much.

    I don't know for a fact, but I think it's reasonable to assume that the overwhelming majority of people who play games understand it's just make believe.

    But I would like to jump around like the guy in Assassin's Creed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    YES - The argument is "they" should do something about this. Not "we" or "I" should do something about this. The last 20 years of mass shootings at schools in the US is a direct result in our losing our moral compass, adopting the liberal thought process where we are not personally responsible for our actions and if we happen to do something heinous it must be some kind if disease - removing any responsibility entirely. Heck, the first thing looked for in every shooting is some kind of bullying. "See, he/they made me do it"
    Appreciate the answer. I feel similar but think it's less about politics than we think. But again, appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    The root of this problem is not guns. It is what we have taught our children. We teach more by example and by what we as a society now stand for.
    Right, it is not as black and white as some people would like it to be.

    We have to look at the effects of social media, prescription drug use, the deterioration of the nuclear family, the lack of community support in regards to mental health, post-modernism, and a myriad of other things.

    But no, it's much easier to follow the shallow line of thinking that our gun laws are at fault, and to use "emotional currency" as a means to further one's agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    And anti-depressants handed out like candy. But yeah, there are too many on Adderall...4 different amphetamines. Wowser.
    The difference between adderall and cheap meth isn't as much as you would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Well, the population of France compared to the US...

    I think we can agree that even one mass shooting is too many...in any country.
    Tired comparison. France is a fifth the size of the US, but their murder rate is much less.
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