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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    No we can't. We have inexplicable movement in the universe, which we currently explain with the theory of dark matter. It's an entity we envision to be the cause of those movements, just as Einstein spread the idea of black holes back in 1916, while personally actually never believing in their physical existence, it was to absurd for him, while it fit th math.
    Movements? You mean gravitational lensing?

    What we currently call dark matter could as well be the power of the spirits dittohead is trying to justify.
    It just dawned on me. I’m going to start referring to dark matter as God, and vice versa. If scientists don’t like it, then they should hurry up and figure out what the fuck dark matter really is. Because their lack of explanation is no more satisfying than pointing to it and saying there God is, we found him. No, he’s not “everywhere,” he’s just hovering around all the matter. Fuck the supervoids, boooring, the matter is where the fun is.

    We found God everyone. He doesn’t do much except bend light and hold galaxies together that should fling themselves apart into oblivion. But he’s there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    What we currently call dark matter could as well be the power of the spirits dittohead is trying to justify.
    That does not seem likely, since dark matter is supposedly a physical phenomenon, and "spirits" are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...does it necessarily follow that there is no life after death? Could higher animals, including humans, not still be spiritual beings in temporary possession of bodies?

    Why or why not?
    We do have godless religions like buddhism -- so it does not necessarily follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Not entirely true. While we cannot directly observe exotic matter, we can observe, verify, and measure its interaction on the matter around it. We have yet to do that with spirits, or the like. Hence my continued scepticism.
    That is not entirely true. If we cannot observe 'exotic' matter, how sure are you that what you are measuring is indeed it's effect?

    You see, the cosmological constant is merely a way to understand what we observe. Same can be said with strings. Whether they are correct or not is an epistemological uncertainty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Movements? You mean gravitational lensing?



    It just dawned on me. I’m going to start referring to dark matter as God, and vice versa. If scientists don’t like it, then they should hurry up and figure out what the fuck dark matter really is. Because their lack of explanation is no more satisfying than pointing to it and saying there God is, we found him. No, he’s not “everywhere,” he’s just hovering around all the matter. Fuck the supervoids, boooring, the matter is where the fun is.

    We found God everyone. He doesn’t do much except bend light and hold galaxies together that should fling themselves apart into oblivion. But he’s there.
    Actually, it is gravity that bends light and holds galaxies together. Dark matter tends to flatten space-time curvature and pulls galaxies apart.

    Try getting your comedic analogies straight next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...does it necessarily follow that there is no life after death? Could higher animals, including humans, not still be spiritual beings in temporary possession of bodies?

    Why or why not?
    Yes, you can have an afterlife without the presence of an all-powerful god. You could have one as well, even if god were not all-powerful.

    I happen to ascribe to the belief that the gods are not all-powerful, but instead, enjoy limited powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Movements? You mean gravitational lensing?



    It just dawned on me. I’m going to start referring to dark matter as God, and vice versa. If scientists don’t like it, then they should hurry up and figure out what the fuck dark matter really is. Because their lack of explanation is no more satisfying than pointing to it and saying there God is, we found him. No, he’s not “everywhere,” he’s just hovering around all the matter. Fuck the supervoids, boooring, the matter is where the fun is.

    We found God everyone. He doesn’t do much except bend light and hold galaxies together that should fling themselves apart into oblivion. But he’s there.
    Science will get right on this! I just talked to Steven Hawking and he told me (well, he actually blinked it) that he is really sorry and that he is working on this as we speak. He implores you to not call "dark matter" god, though. He actually seemed really upset....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Actually, it is gravity that bends light and holds galaxies together. Dark matter tends to flatten space-time curvature and pulls galaxies apart.

    Try getting your comedic analogies straight next time.
    Dude, you aren't a physicist. Please stop getting all high and mighty just because people disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Dude, you aren't a physicist. Please stop getting all high and mighty just because people disagree with you.
    Yes, I'm not a physicist. I'm an engineer. Thirty years ago, relativity was part of our curriculum. So was topology and differential geometry.

    Oh, and I wasn't disagreeing (nor agreeing) to what he said. I was merely correcting his analogy. If you are making a joke at other people's expense using an incorrect analogy, then the jokes on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    ...does it necessarily follow that there is no life after death? Could higher animals, including humans, not still be spiritual beings in temporary possession of bodies?

    Why or why not?
    "Life after death" is an oxymoron. Matter cannot be destroyed entirely, only converted into energy, etc. In SOME sense, we have all always existed, and always will.

    But as ghosts, with memories and egos? No. That's provably impossible.

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