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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    If there is no God, then there is no one to decide where you go in the afterlife, although you could presumably be judged by a committee of souls that preceded you.

    Perhaps souls, like bodies, evolve. You don't get an afterlife until your spirit evolves to a higher plane.
    The term "afterlife" does not prove that once the brain ceases to fire any more neurons and decompensation begins, that formerly living human has a future as more than food for worms.

    But without worms, humans would never have evolved into existence to begin with.

    We are learning much about Mars that suggests "life" existed there once, or still does now. It's almost certain, life moved/moves around the universe on comets, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    But as ghosts, with memories and egos? No. That's provably impossible.
    How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That does not seem likely, since dark matter is supposedly a physical phenomenon, and "spirits" are not.
    That's what this whole conversation is about, what do we know, what don't we know, and what 'could be' possible if we don't limit our imagination by the current prevailing societal ideas of ghosts, spirits, religion, scientifc evidence , or lack thereof, etc.

    I think it goes without saying that I personally do NOT believe in such things as afterlife, spirits and ghosts in the first place.

    But that doesn't mean one cannot entertain a what-if conversation.

    And with the lack of knowledge of what "dark matter" is, as we don't know.. it could then very well turn out to be he billions and billions of spirits roaming the universe in their search for entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    How?
    The math doesn't work. The ratio of every dead human, ever, to humans alive today is completely irrational if the suggestion is reincarnation. (Meaning, every living human has at least one ghost.)

    There would just not be enough.

    And this is also shown by the growth in human population levels since homo sapiens evolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Why?
    I suppose reincarnation could work in a system that worked in conjunction with the generation of additional souls.
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    I believe there is intelligent life throughout the universe. (with the exception of certain parts of New Jersey)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I suppose reincarnation could work in a system that worked in conjunction with the generation of additional souls.
    There's another implausible aspect of this "afterlife" claim. Who is scheduling the manufacture of additional "souls"? Where are they stored?

    Is a soul different from a ghost, and if so, then why is there all this transformation going on, but no end goal, ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I believe there is intelligent life throughout the universe. (with the exception of certain parts of New Jersey)
    It looks more and more likely you are correct. And if so, the human ideas about "God" need massive rethinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Given the factors that were required for earth to exist, given the factors that are required for earth to sustain life, I have a difficult time accepting that it was just one big accident. Additionally, if there is an after life, because we a dealing with eternity, I don't think we would still be limited to factors such as time and space.
    But perceiving divinity in the natural world, or art, or human accomplishments is not proof that humans have an afterlife.

    If the Fibonacci sequence is astounding and fascinating to you in nature, I don't see why you resist seeing that same divinity in human biology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    There's another implausible aspect of this "afterlife" claim. Who is scheduling the manufacture of additional "souls"? Where are they stored?

    Is a soul different from a ghost, and if so, then why is there all this transformation going on, but no end goal, ever?
    If souls are immortal, then no new ones need be "manufactured."

    Anthropologists estimate that there have been a hundred billion people born on Earth since the beginning of humans. That's plenty of souls. Moreover, spirits don't have to inhabit a human body. The very word "animal" comes from "anima" or "spirit. It is the spirit that animates the body, whether it is a human body or something else.
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