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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    Do not murder.

    Wasn't that clear? Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Do not murder.

    Wasn't that clear? Duh?
    Murder has a legal definition. And that is an illegal killing. Abortion is not illegal therefore it is not a murder, even if it were to be proven the life of a viable human being was ended by the abortion.
    You see, as we are NOT a fucking theocracy, so what you believe your particular Holy Book says does not mean jack shit so far as our laws are concerned.

    Fucking DUUUUUH...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Murder has a legal definition. And that is an illegal killing. Abortion is not illegal therefore it is not a murder, even if it were to be proven the life of a viable human being was ended by the abortion.
    You see, as we are NOT a fucking theocracy, so what you believe your particular Holy Book says does not mean jack shit so far as our laws are concerned.

    Fucking DUUUUUH...
    I'm sorry, but we were talking about sanctions against fetal abortion found in the bible, not in us jurisprudence. Fucking DUUUUUH...?

    The claim that there is no sanction against fetal abortion in the bible shows complete ignorance of that thing that one pretends to know.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion

    The Torah contains no direct reference to intentional pregnancy termination, only to a birth or miscarriage following violent altercation. The chief biblical source referring to abortion is Exodus 21:22–25 concerning the man who inadvertently strikes a pregnant woman, causing her to either give birth prematurely or to miscarry. The reference reads:

    And if men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart (i.e., either "born alive" or "stillborn", depending on the interpretation), and yet no harm follow, he shall be surely fined ... But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life ...

    According to the Septuagint as well as to the ancient Jewish historian Philo, the term "harm" refers exclusively to the child, and whether a fine is imposed or capital punishment depends on whether the fetus has been fully formed.[1] The medieval commentator Rashi as well as Talmudic commentators, on the other hand, apply the term "harm" to the mother, with only a fine imposed for causing a miscarriage.[1]

    The Mishnah reference in Oholot 7, 6 does not refer directly to abortion. It does refer to a case of life-threatening childbirth and, if the birth is partial or the head has not yet emerged, the fetus can be killed to save the life of the woman (see pikuach nefesh). The tractate has been subject to debate.

    Genesis 9:6 says

    Who so sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    The Talmud (Sanhedrin 57b) understands this verse to be talking about the killing of a fetus; that is a fetus is considered to be alive with regard to the prohibition against murderer and all are warned not to kill him. The fetus however, although being considered "alive" to the extent that his or her life is protected, is not considered to be fully alive to the extent that if it endangered the mothers life it takes precedence. Thus if a pregnancy risks the life of the mother the Rabbis rule that the mother's life takes precedence and that the child may be aborted so as to save the mother's life.

    And yes, judaism is a fucking theocracy in biblical times.

    The next time you butt-in, try to get on topic, hmmm?
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    I look at this way. Liberals mostly get abortions , hence fewer and fewer Liberals are born. Trump gets elected because there isn't enough Liberals to defeat him. Liberals are basically cutting their own throats so to speak putting Conservatives in power for a very long time.

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