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Thread: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

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    Zarathustra

    The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Does the individual live to serve the state? Does the state live to serve the individual? Or do both the state and individual live in coexistence with each other, taking from each what it needs but other wise leaving each other alone?

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    Ausinus

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    The state exists to serve the people, which is composed of individuals.

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    Zarathustra

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ausinus View Post
    The state exists to serve the people, which is composed of individuals.

    That sounds like a welfare state to me. I beleive that the state and the individual live side by side. That's how are society was set up, anyway.

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    Goldwater

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Does the individual live to serve the state? Does the state live to serve the individual? Or do both the state and individual live in coexistence with each other, taking from each what it needs but other wise leaving each other alone?
    The state is supposed to exist purely to excecute the will of the collective judgement of the masses...................except when the masses are too busy watching Bonanza reruns to involve themselves in thier goverment, then...twice per decade they are bombarded with irrelevant electioneering poo designed to make them mad about thier problems enough so to vote for whomever will take away thier problems.

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    Ausinus

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That sounds like a welfare state to me. I beleive that the state and the individual live side by side. That's how are society was set up, anyway.
    Are state? Are is the plural present tense verb for existence.

    The power possessed by the state originates in the people - thus the state should serve the people.

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    freckles

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    The individual exists to serve the state. Ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country. And, in return, the state should return it's gratitude. But, if the individual is too damn lazy to serve the state, the state should return that favor as well.

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    Leo

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ausinus View Post
    Are state? Are is the plural present tense verb for existence.
    And I thought I was Conan the Grammarian, LOL! Good on yer Ausinus, we'll lick this lot into grammatical shape if it kills us (which is highly likely).

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    Leo

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by freckles View Post
    The individual exists to serve the state. Ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country. And, in return, the state should return it's gratitude. But, if the individual is too damn lazy to serve the state, the state should return that favor as well.
    Sorry Freckles, but the highlighted bit is straight out of the Communist Manifesto, or any Dictator's manual.

    The state has no existence without the individuals comprising it, and it has no validity as a stand-alone entity. Patriotism is a regard for your fellow nationals and a concern for their welfare, not that of the conceptual entity known as the state. The apparatus of government, the armed forces, the public and security forces, are there for the benefit of the individuals comprising society. Their raisonne d'etre is not their own existence.

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    Ben

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Does the individual live to serve the state? Does the state live to serve the individual? Or do both the state and individual live in coexistence with each other, taking from each what it needs but other wise leaving each other alone?
    The state essentially serves to protect the rights of the individual, but in extreme circumstances this principle may need to be compromised. In situation of definite danger the state has a right to conscript an army imo.

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    Leo

    Re: The Relationship between the State and the Individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    The state essentially serves to protect the rights of the individual, but in extreme circumstances this principle may need to be compromised. In situation of definite danger the state has a right to conscript an army imo.
    I totally agree, but even in the case of national emergency, it is the community which is to be (or should be) protected, not the apparatus of government.

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