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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    That's ok, I'm comprehending your speech perfectly. I love quoting you and seeing you back peddle.
    I quoted myself exactly. You did not. You are lying and trolling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Ok, another wiseman has spoken.
    He is certainly wiser than you - not that that is a high hurdle to jump over.

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    Despite the overwhelming mockery of the posters in this thread, I want to present a different view.

    And I have direct experience in the subject matter.

    After two years at an established local prep school in Simsbury CT, I ended up at the Stony Brook School for boys for my Junior year.

    This was partially due to the conversion of my parents to Evangelical Christianity and their desire to learn more about their faith.

    But it was a whirlwind tour and each of the children had a say in where we wanted to explore the faith.

    During my junior year, I met my future wife who was a student at the Stony Brook school for girls. During that year, the school was taken over, by a fundamentalist group from Texas called Berean Christian Schools.

    So love being the powerful thing that it is, especially in the mind of a 17-year-old boy, I begged my parents to let me transfer and I began my single year as a fundamentalist.

    I read the bible cover to cover, got some Biblical training, received mixed levels of quality of education. The Berean folks were mostly hacks, but there were high-quality teachers left over from the girl's school.

    The context is important, to establish that I was not a lifelong pentecostalist and for the most part had been educated to respect logic and reason.

    However at one of the 3 hours Sunday church services, which always included an alatar call, my history teacher said he felt a burden for me and that he felt I needed to receive the gift of tounges.

    So he and a number of other folks laid hands on me and started speaking in what you are calling gibberish. Sure enough, I started speaking in tounges right then.

    Now I am still a cynic, but since that day, if I choose to, I can speak in this language. It is a comfortable way of turning your mind off and enjoying the suspension of conscious effort.

    That was 50 years ago and I can still speak in that "tongue," but it does not require emotion and you don't have to be living a perfect life to do the speaking.

    My cynical side says I connected with some part of the brain that lays dormant in all people.

    My guess is that all religions have some similar element and that all people have a similar need to suspend rational thought as they sing their favorite song or chant or repeat an affirmation over and over.

    If I were tor record my "tongue" it would repeat words and do variations on those words, but its numbers of words are few and are not a full-blown language.

    But whether you sing Sweet Caroline at Fenway, or mouth the lyrics of a favrite song with your friends, it can appear just as wierd and nutty to any outsider as tounge speaking seems to most of you.

    Bottom line is that it really is not that big a deal and that similar things are done by most of us in many places. It never made me a better Christian and it was not an award for having reached a certain plateau.

    It was just a gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Despite the overwhelming mockery of the posters in this thread, I want to present a different view.

    And I have direct experience in the subject matter.

    After two years at an established local prep school in Simsbury CT, I ended up at the Stony Brook School for boys for my Junior year.

    This was partially due to the conversion of my parents to Evangelical Christianity and their desire to learn more about their faith.

    But it was a whirlwind tour and each of the children had a say in where we wanted to explore the faith.

    During my junior year, I met my future wife who was a student at the Stony Brook school for girls. During that year, the school was taken over, by a fundamentalist group from Texas called Berean Christian Schools.

    So love being the powerful thing that it is, especially in the mind of a 17-year-old boy, I begged my parents to let me transfer and I began my single year as a fundamentalist.

    I read the bible cover to cover, got some Biblical training, received mixed levels of quality of education. The Berean folks were mostly hacks, but there were high-quality teachers left over from the girl's school.

    The context is important, to establish that I was not a lifelong pentecostalist and for the most part had been educated to respect logic and reason.

    However at one of the 3 hours Sunday church services, which always included an alatar call, my history teacher said he felt a burden for me and that he felt I needed to receive the gift of tounges.

    So he and a number of other folks laid hands on me and started speaking in what you are calling gibberish. Sure enough, I started speaking in tounges right then.

    Now I am still a cynic, but since that day, if I choose to, I can speak in this language. It is a comfortable way of turning your mind off and enjoying the suspension of conscious effort.

    That was 50 years ago and I can still speak in that "tongue," but it does not require emotion and you don't have to be living a perfect life to do the speaking.

    My cynical side says I connected with some part of the brain that lays dormant in all people.

    My guess is that all religions have some similar element and that all people have a similar need to suspend rational thought as they sing their favorite song or chant or repeat an affirmation over and over.

    If I were tor record my "tongue" it would repeat words and do variations on those words, but its numbers of words are few and are not a full-blown language.

    But whether you sing Sweet Caroline at Fenway, or mouth the lyrics of a favrite song with your friends, it can appear just as wierd and nutty to any outsider as tounge speaking seems to most of you.

    Bottom line is that it really is not that big a deal and that similar things are done by most of us in many places. It never made me a better Christian and it was not an award for having reached a certain plateau.

    It was just a gift.

    A gift?

    If you want to label a youthful experience of group dynamics within a religious environment a "gift", that's up to you. I delved into this arena myself in my younger days, and the experience is quite real, in spite of also being quite mundanely human and totally unrelated to anything supernatural.

    If, on the other hand, you are attempting to insinuate that you genuinely received a supernatural power from a god, then I consider you delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Ok, its meaningless to you, therefore you think it is to God as well
    The lack of comprehension in this thread is all on you so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Despite the overwhelming mockery of the posters in this thread, I want to present a different view.

    And I have direct experience in the subject matter.

    After two years at an established local prep school in Simsbury CT, I ended up at the Stony Brook School for boys for my Junior year.

    This was partially due to the conversion of my parents to Evangelical Christianity and their desire to learn more about their faith.

    But it was a whirlwind tour and each of the children had a say in where we wanted to explore the faith.

    During my junior year, I met my future wife who was a student at the Stony Brook school for girls. During that year, the school was taken over, by a fundamentalist group from Texas called Berean Christian Schools.

    So love being the powerful thing that it is, especially in the mind of a 17-year-old boy, I begged my parents to let me transfer and I began my single year as a fundamentalist.

    I read the bible cover to cover, got some Biblical training, received mixed levels of quality of education. The Berean folks were mostly hacks, but there were high-quality teachers left over from the girl's school.

    The context is important, to establish that I was not a lifelong pentecostalist and for the most part had been educated to respect logic and reason.

    However at one of the 3 hours Sunday church services, which always included an alatar call, my history teacher said he felt a burden for me and that he felt I needed to receive the gift of tounges.

    So he and a number of other folks laid hands on me and started speaking in what you are calling gibberish. Sure enough, I started speaking in tounges right then.

    Now I am still a cynic, but since that day, if I choose to, I can speak in this language. It is a comfortable way of turning your mind off and enjoying the suspension of conscious effort.

    That was 50 years ago and I can still speak in that "tongue," but it does not require emotion and you don't have to be living a perfect life to do the speaking.

    My cynical side says I connected with some part of the brain that lays dormant in all people.

    My guess is that all religions have some similar element and that all people have a similar need to suspend rational thought as they sing their favorite song or chant or repeat an affirmation over and over.

    If I were tor record my "tongue" it would repeat words and do variations on those words, but its numbers of words are few and are not a full-blown language.

    But whether you sing Sweet Caroline at Fenway, or mouth the lyrics of a favrite song with your friends, it can appear just as wierd and nutty to any outsider as tounge speaking seems to most of you.

    Bottom line is that it really is not that big a deal and that similar things are done by most of us in many places. It never made me a better Christian and it was not an award for having reached a certain plateau.

    It was just a gift.
    It's not a gift. It's bullshit. Sorry.
    Thanks from Friday13

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    A gift?

    If you want to label a youthful experience of group dynamics within a religious environment a "gift", that's up to you. I delved into this arena myself in my younger days, and the experience is quite real, in spite of also being quite mundanely human and totally unrelated to anything supernatural.

    If, on the other hand, you are attempting to insinuate that you genuinely received a supernatural power from a god, then I consider you delusional.
    At 17, I would have spoken any bullshit language I figured would impress a girl.


    Come to think of it, I'd do that at 51 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Despite the overwhelming mockery of the posters in this thread, I want to present a different view.

    And I have direct experience in the subject matter.

    After two years at an established local prep school in Simsbury CT, I ended up at the Stony Brook School for boys for my Junior year.

    This was partially due to the conversion of my parents to Evangelical Christianity and their desire to learn more about their faith.

    But it was a whirlwind tour and each of the children had a say in where we wanted to explore the faith.

    During my junior year, I met my future wife who was a student at the Stony Brook school for girls. During that year, the school was taken over, by a fundamentalist group from Texas called Berean Christian Schools.

    So love being the powerful thing that it is, especially in the mind of a 17-year-old boy, I begged my parents to let me transfer and I began my single year as a fundamentalist.

    I read the bible cover to cover, got some Biblical training, received mixed levels of quality of education. The Berean folks were mostly hacks, but there were high-quality teachers left over from the girl's school.

    The context is important, to establish that I was not a lifelong pentecostalist and for the most part had been educated to respect logic and reason.

    However at one of the 3 hours Sunday church services, which always included an alatar call, my history teacher said he felt a burden for me and that he felt I needed to receive the gift of tounges.

    So he and a number of other folks laid hands on me and started speaking in what you are calling gibberish. Sure enough, I started speaking in tounges right then.

    Now I am still a cynic, but since that day, if I choose to, I can speak in this language. It is a comfortable way of turning your mind off and enjoying the suspension of conscious effort.

    That was 50 years ago and I can still speak in that "tongue," but it does not require emotion and you don't have to be living a perfect life to do the speaking.

    My cynical side says I connected with some part of the brain that lays dormant in all people.

    My guess is that all religions have some similar element and that all people have a similar need to suspend rational thought as they sing their favorite song or chant or repeat an affirmation over and over.

    If I were tor record my "tongue" it would repeat words and do variations on those words, but its numbers of words are few and are not a full-blown language.

    But whether you sing Sweet Caroline at Fenway, or mouth the lyrics of a favrite song with your friends, it can appear just as wierd and nutty to any outsider as tounge speaking seems to most of you.

    Bottom line is that it really is not that big a deal and that similar things are done by most of us in many places. It never made me a better Christian and it was not an award for having reached a certain plateau.

    It was just a gift.
    At the age of twenty seven I received the gift of seeing two Pentacostal preachers practicing their tongues presentation when they thought the owner (me) of the property which they were spending their day remodeling, wasn't home. Apparently they were testing different styles to see which ones would bring in the most loot the next Sunday.

    I guess they were tired of their day jobs. But it got worse for them as halfway through the job one was sentenced to prison for six months due to tax evasion. And that's when his wife found out about his numerous girls friends....and he found out about her boyfriend.
    Thanks from Dangermouse and Friday13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I did not say that, either. You are lying and trolling again.
    You never admit to anything you say even when I post it. . You ever thought about being a politician LOL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    A gift?

    If you want to label a youthful experience of group dynamics within a religious environment a "gift", that's up to you. I delved into this arena myself in my younger days, and the experience is quite real, in spite of also being quite mundanely human and totally unrelated to anything supernatural.

    If, on the other hand, you are attempting to insinuate that you genuinely received a supernatural power from a god, then I consider you delusional.
    Not at all, something similar happened to me one night while I was going to bed. I never sought this gift or even desired it. It just happened and i had no control over it. I believe it was God communicating with my spirit after I was baptized. I had no idea what was said, but I felt a lot better after it happened. The speaking of tongues in the Book of Acts was the Disciples speaking foreign languages (they didn't even know how to speak) for the visitors from different countries so they could understand the Good news of Jesus Christ. The Gift of Speaking in Tongues

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