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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I agree, there is no Hell. Neither will the earth be destroyed by a wrathful god. Also, when I die, I will not go to a physical "heaven" rather, a place that I could not understand. Pope and eye are on board with no Hell.
    I'm on the same page brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I agree, there is no Hell. Neither will the earth be destroyed by a wrathful god. Also, when I die, I will not go to a physical "heaven" rather, a place that I could not understand. Pope and eye are on board with no Hell.
    Hell is other people. We're already in Hell. There is no way there is something worse than the human experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Hell is other people. We're already in Hell. There is no way there is something worse than the human experience.
    That's pretty bleak, but I might have to agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, me too, but no Christian sect appeals to me. The entire New Testament (and most of the Old Testament) seems like utter nonsense to me.

    I can see why many people get gratification of all sorts from practicing a religion, especially one they were raised in, but not I. Not everyone.

    As for "hatefulness", the RCC has been one of the most anti-human organizations in history, but the character of any individual Catholic cannot be described as hateful. Some are, most are not.

    Like any group of humans, anywhere.
    True. Many are very loving people. But the "hate" aspect is actually meant to mean discord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Hell is other people. We're already in Hell. There is no way there is something worse than the human experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I was brought up a Catholic so I know well what I am talking about. Most of their dogma appeared to be designed to browbeat one into acquiescing to EVERYTHING they told you that you should do. It was very condescending to many people and required very punitive action if you broke their rules. For one, you cannot take Communion if you are divorced or if you do not first confess all of your sins to a priest whom they say has the power to forgive you of your sins. Imagine that. Only he can't only God can do that. As for the pope, he is just another man. Nothing truly special about the guy. He is simply the head of an organization who is voted in to the highest office much like a president of a corporation is. He feels he can create saints but only God can do that. Thus, that sect was not about love. It appeared to have much discord in it thus, I left. I am glad I did years ago and have never once regretted it.
    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Conscience

    The supremacy of conscience

    The supremacy of conscience is a great theme of discourse. "Were its might equal to its right", says Butler, "it would rule the world". With Kant we could say that conscience is autonomously supreme, if against Kant we added that thereby we meant only that every duty must be brought home to the individual by his own individual conscience, and is to this extent imposed by it; so that even he who follows authority contrary to his own private judgment should do so on his own private conviction that the former has the better claim. If the Church stands between God and conscience, then in another sense also the conscience is between God and the Church. Unless a man is conscientiously submissive to the Catholic Church his subjection is not really a matter of inner morality but is mechanical obedience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's a little more complex than that, if only because different branches of Christianity hold varying beliefs. Purgatory is typically considered an opportunity to be cleansed from sin after death, so that one may enter Heaven.

    Of course, neither "Purgatory" nor "Limbo" appear as either words or as concepts within Christian scripture.
    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Purgatory
    New Testament

    There are several passages in the New Testament that point to a process of purification after death. Thus, Jesus Christ declares (Matthew 12:32): "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come." According to St. Isidore of Seville (Deord. creatur., c. xiv, n. 6) these words prove that in the next life "some sins will be forgiven and purged away by a certain purifying fire." St. Augustine also argues "that some sinners are not forgiven either in this world or in the next would not be truly said unless there were other [sinners] who, though not forgiven in this world, are forgiven in the world to come" (City of God XXI.24). The same interpretation is given by Gregory the Great (Dial., IV, xxxix); St. Bede (commentary on this text); St. Bernard (Sermo lxvi in Cantic., n. 11) and other eminent theological writers.

    A further argument is supplied by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15:

    "For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."

    While this passage presents considerable difficulty, it is regarded by many of the Fathers and theologians as evidence for the existence of an intermediate state in which the dross of lighter transgressions will be burnt away, and the soul thus purified will be saved. This, according to Bellarmine (De Purg., I, 5), is the interpretation commonly given by the Fathers and theologians;

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