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    Muslim Man Encountered with Jesus and Saw Jesus in the Throne of Heaven - Kamran
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    This most special video is nothing less than a wonderful, stupendous account of a Muslim man's experience. It is deeply moving and will touch your heart and spirit in a very special way. It is well worth watching!
    There are always a handful of people converting back and forth, from Islam to Christianity, or Christianity to Islam, etc. But, personally, what I find interesting is they're so very rare, to the point that even one such conversion would be viewed as noteworthy enough to post here. The reality is, the VAST majority of people remain in the same basic faith they were first encouraged to believe, when they were little children. There's some drifting within faith groups (e.g., an Episcopalian politician being born again as a more politically advantageous sect, like Methodist, the way Bush did), but converting across major religious lines is very rare. And I think that tells us a lot about why people believe what they believe. It's not about any individualized connection between the person and a particular mythology, but rather about inertia.... it's less of a social hassle to just stick with whatever religion you happen to have been handed as a child, which is probably the same religion as your family.

    Most of the time when there is a conversion, it's because a person finds himself in a new setting where a different faith is more socially convenient/profitable than the old one. So, for example, if you're Kamran Yaraei and you move from Iran to North Carolina, you go from a position where it's socially advantageous to be a Muslim to a position where it's socially advantageous to be a Christian, and so you'll come out ahead if you also convert to Christianity. That's particularly true if you wanted to avoid real work and instead become a minister, to live off the donations of others, media appearances, and religious propaganda. That's going to be nigh impossible in the Bible Belt if you're a Muslim, but if you're a convert to Christianity, you'll have an awesome story that will really sell well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Wait, Muslims don't believe in Jesus yet claim he is a prophet?

    That doesn't seem possible. In fact, it is impossible.
    Muslims and Jews believe Jesus existed and was a prophet but was not the Son of God, the Messiah, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    So basically you believe there is nothing worth fighting for...
    Turn the other cheek ring any bells? The meek shall inherit the earth familiar to you??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Muslims and Jews believe Jesus existed and was a prophet but was not the Son of G-d, the Messiah, etc.
    Jews do not believe Jesus was a prophet. He has no status in Judaism whatsover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Jews do not believe Jesus was a prophet. He has no status in Judaism whatsover.

    Depends, I suppose, upon whom Ian Jeffrey considers a "real Jew".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Correct. Believing someone is a prophet is not the same as "believing in" him.
    Therefore, Muslims cannot logically believe in Muhammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Jews do not believe Jesus was a prophet. He has no status in Judaism whatsover.
    It's just as Jews have no status in Christianity either since according to many they believe in the First Coming of Jesus instead of the Second Coming. Others might even dispute that they believe that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Therefore, Muslims cannot logically believe in Muhammed.

    Nobody can logically believe in any religious myth. That's why religious belief is called "faith".

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    No, you're just a bigoted moron from Texas who judges a billion and half people based on his own idiotic views.
    Leave Texas out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Jews do not believe Jesus was a prophet. He has no status in Judaism whatsover.
    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    It's just as Jews have no status in Christianity either since according to many they believe in the First Coming of Jesus instead of the Second Coming. Others might even dispute that they believe that.
    However, not all Jews are against Jesus since some do believe He is the Messiah. Take for example the following great group!

    Jews for Jesus

    "We Are Jewish People Who Believe in Jesus and we want to tell everyone about Jesus the Messiah."
    "We engage the greater Jewish community with the message of Jesus so that more of our Jewish people will be spiritually transformed through knowledge and love of God. Jews for Jesus the organization was founded in 1973. However, we like to say we were “founded 32 a.d., give or take a year.” Today, our staff are active internationally in 13 countries and 24 cities."

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