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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I think we’d be better off with no religion, but if you fight religion directly, you generally just make it stronger. It’s like that old parable where the wind and the sun have a bet — the Wind bets he can blow a man’s jacket off, but the harder he blows, the tighter the man clings to the jacket. Then the sun smiles down on him, it warms up, and the man takes off his jacket. People need to remove the strait jacket of religion voluntarily, and the harder you push for that, the more they cling to it. So, as long as people mostly compartmentalize their religion in a way that doesn’t clearly and directly impose on others, I’m going to be cool with them.
    Then you ignore the Golden Rule as it applies to women and gays who are victimized as we speak by the mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions.

    For evil to grow and all that.

    They are imposing direct hardship yet you do not seem to see it.

    As to pushing against evil ideologies hard.

    Are you suggesting that the North should not have pushed the South hard to end slavery?

    Should That young black girl not have pushed hard to end segregation as she hung on to that seat in the bus?

    If we all leave others to fight evil, it will always win.

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    I agree completely with your first remark, but I do not include the contemplative religions that are not based on the supernatural. They put man above God where we belong.

    Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

    Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing
    that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

    https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

    Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

    Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

    Do you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Then you ignore the Golden Rule as it applies to women and gays who are victimized as we speak by the mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions.

    For evil to grow and all that.

    They are imposing direct hardship yet you do not seem to see it.

    As to pushing against evil ideologies hard.

    Are you suggesting that the North should not have pushed the South hard to end slavery?

    Should That young black girl not have pushed hard to end segregation as she hung on to that seat in the bus?

    If we all leave others to fight evil, it will always win.

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    One small fly in your theory about religions: when there is no religion, it is atheism that can and often does take a turn for the worse. Please educate yourself to this fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I always like to remind people that you never see Muslims running for office based on their religious values, putting Allah back in the town square, etc.

    In America it's only Christians who seek to make the government over in their own image. That bugs me. Worship as you wish, but please leave me out of it.
    Impossible, as you and all non-religious are stuck to pay the tax shortfall that religious exemptions create.

    How Some Pastors Abuse US Tax Exemptions | Big Think

    Nothing quite like you and I paying to support open and flagrant fraudsters eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    One small fly in your theory about religions: when there is no religion, it is atheism that can and often does take a turn for the worse. Please educate yourself to this fact.
    I have, and look what I found.

    Have you heard of the Global Peace Index?

    Let it open your closed mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

    Further.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2...layer_embedded

    Need I say more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    At least was able to recognize it is not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak.
    Yes. I think although there are a handful of conservative Jews who have made common cause with the Protestant evangelicals on the project of tearing down the wall between church and state, they're quite rare. For the most part, Jews have been admirably aware that the Protestant evangelicals would just as gladly turn on them if the numbers worked out differently -- that, for example, they'd happily be pushing for government prayers to Jesus rather than to an ecumenical "Judeochristian" God, if they had enough of a majority to toss the Jews overboard that way. Catholics, because they're not as far removed, theologically, generally aren't as aware of the fact they're just allies of convenience, whose religious rights the Protestant evangelicals would gladly trample the moment they were no longer needed in the coalition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Yes. I think although there are a handful of conservative Jews who have made common cause with the Protestant evangelicals on the project of tearing down the wall between church and state, they're quite rare. For the most part, Jews have been admirably aware that the Protestant evangelicals would just as gladly turn on them if the numbers worked out differently -- that, for example, they'd happily be pushing for government prayers to Jesus rather than to an ecumenical "Judeochristian" God, if they had enough of a majority to toss the Jews overboard that way. Catholics, because they're not as far removed, theologically, generally aren't as aware of the fact they're just allies of convenience, whose religious rights the Protestant evangelicals would gladly trample the moment they were no longer needed in the coalition.
    Given that secular law are so much better than the theistic laws of the mainstream religions and their vile Gods, I see a union of church and state as a good way to help those vile religions reform their immoral ideologies and weed out the worst of them by helping make it easier for theists to go into the better religions. That would be faster avenue to your goal of ridding ourselves of all the worst of our religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    One small fly in your theory about religions: when there is no religion, it is atheism that can and often does take a turn for the worse. Please educate yourself to this fact.
    Yep, it's true. Communism, about as atheistic as it gets, has been the most murderous ideology in human history, even worse than Nazism, hundreds of millions of victims, under Lenin and Stalin in USSR; Mao in China; Pol Pot in Cambodia; the Kims in North Korea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Yep, it's true. Communism, about as atheistic as it gets, has been the most murderous ideology in human history, even worse than Nazism, hundreds of millions of victims, under Lenin and Stalin in USSR; Mao in China; Pol Pot in Cambodia; the Kims in North Korea...
    I see that form of communism as essentially just a non-supernatural religion. It has all the trappings of religion other than the belief in magic. There are sacred scriptures, like the little red book, a willful suspension of disbelief about cult figures, an insistence on strict adherence to dogma, harsh punishments for those who question the dogma, a totalitarian impulse to harmonize all of society with the dogma, including insisting that all art be pedantic, the existence of official catechisms pushed at a very early age and reinforced by way of ceremony, the treatment of dissenters as apostates, an evangelical zeal for conversion, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I have, and look what I found.

    Have you heard of the Global Peace Index?

    Let it open your closed mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

    Further.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2...layer_embedded

    Need I say more?

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    No, by all means, please DO NOT say more -- try to say less. I'm asking you to be a bit more tolerant, and you're accusing me of having a closed mind....brilliant.

    You want me to watch a fucking Youtube vid??? Pass. I did not play a Pink Floyd song when my girlfriend asked me to even after she called me a "fuck stick," why should I watch yours? I don't even like you.
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