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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    New age 'spiritualists' who cherry pick various philosophies claim to take this very stance, that is 'I'm spiritual, but not religious' meaning these individuals reject mainstream dogma.
    This is also a common (claimed) stance in 12-Step groups.

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    The definitions of spirituality have wide and varied meaning I'm spiritual in that I have a sense of wonderment and awe at the sheer vastness and complexity of the universe. Others might define it more narrowly to be God-related or even Christianity-related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    This is also a common (claimed) stance in 12-Step groups.
    Yes, and that is the primary reason for my rejection of such a programme many years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Yes, and that is the primary reason for my rejection of such a programme many years ago
    The "spiritual-but-not-religious" part, or the "(claimed)" part?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The "spiritual-but-not-religious" part, or the "(claimed)" part?
    The former. As you are no doubt aware, I am an atheist and I did not agree with the level of belief required to participate in the programme. I solved my particular problem through other means such as self-discipline and counselling to recognize how the dependence manifested itself.

    I found those avenues far more beneficial in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    The definitions of spirituality have wide and varied meaning I'm spiritual in that I have a sense of wonderment and awe at the sheer vastness and complexity of the universe. Others might define it more narrowly to be God-related or even Christianity-related.
    Then they would be showing poor thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Can you be spiritual without being religious?

    Spirituality might be exemplified by this quote.
    John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    One can practice spirituality alone. One cannot practice religiosity without a group/tribe.

    Religiosity, I would define roughly, as promoting an organized or local church/temple/tribe etc.

    Spirituality ignores our tribal instincts. Our religiosity demand that we cater to our tribal/fellowship needs.

    If you are spiritually minded and have a working moral system that you think is the best, I think that you should want to share it and have others follow it. To share it should have you join a church or religion so as to promote your good thinking.

    Does a spiritual mind, if truly spiritual, have to join a religion, even if not morally up to your standard, in order to share your view and perhaps help that religion rise up to your better standard of excellence?

    If you answer yes to that question, is that why spiritually minded atheists and others now forming atheist churches or churches that take a more secular role within society?

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    Yes, Spirituality is in you. You make that decision.

    But many times being with others who think the way you do gives you more couragein the face of dealing with the human problems we all have.
    Last edited by MaryAnne; 24th May 2018 at 03:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    If you are following the New Testament, you are following a religion.
    I prefer Following the Ten Commandments. Along with the words of the New Testament.

    Sorry to say I am not always successful when I see man abuse that.

    Religion is man made. All the rules and regulations, even in the Bible are all man made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    The former. As you are no doubt aware, I am an atheist and I did not agree with the level of belief required to participate in the programme. I solved my particular problem through other means such as self-discipline and counselling to recognize how the dependence manifested itself.

    I found those avenues far more beneficial in my case.
    Much like Religion or anything else you make the decision. No one else can make it for you.

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    Of course. Organized religion is a compromise between what God wants for us and what we need.

    We need order, a tribe, spiritual pride, ceremony, a way of infusing status into our lives.

    God wants us to serve, to be holy, to love our children when they drive us crazy, to fulfill our commitments, to love our fellow man, to have a purpose and a calling that aligns with our gifts.

    To the extent that religion facilitates God's purpose for his whole creation, it is a good thing.

    But tribalism and spiritual pride and arrogance have been the wellspring of evil for millennia.

    Hitler thought he was doing God' s will.

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