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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    We advise people to "turn your will and your lives over to the care of G-d, AS YOU UNDERSTAND HIM." Start anywhere and grow from there.
    Your understanding, your relationship, with the Great Spirit will mature and grow as you live a sober life and follow the 12 steps to the best of your ability.
    Yes, I understand all that, from the inside (as you do). What it is, though, is a set of religious principles, derived from religion, and stripped of any reference to particular religion. Remember, AA was derived from the Oxford Groups, a patently Xian group, before the "alcoholic squad" split off into a separate group to better address the needs of recovery alcoholics than a religious movement with no alcoholism experience could provide.

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    I have a friend who said churchgoers are odd.

    So he took me to a Manchester United football game. We travelled to a football ground as opposed to a church. He paid £90 for two tickets rather than put £5 in the collection box. He stood and sang songs praising his team. I asked him what's it about with Man U, he said "It's all to do with the Man U spirit". He always buys the match programme, over the years, he's built up quite some Bible on Man U.

    And he called churchgoers odd............. hmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    An atheist doesn't believe that God exists. That doesn't necessarily preclude an atheist from believing in magic.
    Lol. That's new.

    I believe the atheist objection to the existence of god is precisely, his supernatural aspect.

    Now, you are saying that atheists believe that the supernatural exists -- except god.

    How about common-sense? Do atheists believe in that as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Lol. That's new.

    I believe the atheist objection to the existence of god is precisely, his supernatural aspect.

    Now, you are saying that atheists believe that the supernatural exists -- except god.

    How about common-sense? Do atheists believe in that as well?

    Ask an atheist, if you're curious.

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    If you take Jesus The Christ as your God. You ARE following a religion. The religion called Christianity.
    OR, are you saying you try to adhere to the moral teachings of Jesus The Christ but do not consider him to be a deity?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

    Nontrinitarianism is a form of Christianity that rejects the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity—the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are coeternal, coequal, and indivisibly united in one being, or essence (from the Greek ousia).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

    Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") is historically a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is one entity, as opposed to the Trinity (tri- from Latin tres "three") which defines God as three persons in one being; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[1] Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior,[2][3] but he was not a deity or God incarnate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Ask an atheist, if you're curious.
    I'm asking you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

    Nontrinitarianism is a form of Christianity that rejects the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity—the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are coeternal, coequal, and indivisibly united in one being, or essence (from the Greek ousia).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

    Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") is historically a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is one entity, as opposed to the Trinity (tri- from Latin tres "three") which defines God as three persons in one being; the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[1] Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior,[2][3] but he was not a deity or God incarnate.
    That's nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I agree with you so you would have to ask the theist who say no for an answer.

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    My perception of you is that you are a card carrying member of the logic police, which is, in itself a fundamentalist-like philosophical construct.

    If a bug flies into your windscreen, you imagine they are ALL kamikaze pilots.

    If a Christian behaves badly and murders, you imagine that invalidates the entire religion.

    All religions are full of good and bad people. All life philosophies are full of good and bad people.

    The logic police are more bad than good because they offer nothing that makes people happy, empowered or willing to serve mankind.

    They tend to be smug, self congratulatory and petty, just like some marginal Christians.

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    Alert Alert, this is the very reason Catholics started killing Gnostic Christians. The Gnostics were spiritual but were open to all ideas but Catholics having bound by just a few books to claim for their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    My perception of you is that you are a card carrying member of the logic police, which is, in itself a fundamentalist-like philosophical construct.

    If a bug flies into your windscreen, you imagine they are ALL kamikaze pilots.

    If a Christian behaves badly and murders, you imagine that invalidates the entire religion.

    All religions are full of good and bad people. All life philosophies are full of good and bad people.

    The logic police are more bad than good because they offer nothing that makes people happy, empowered or willing to serve mankind.

    They tend to be smug, self congratulatory and petty, just like some marginal Christians.
    Thanks for the accolades but I try to love by this.

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

    Your opinion is thus put into the dustbin where it belongs. You also had no clue.

    Regards
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