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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I do not believe the word "poison" appears in Bereishit (Genesis).
    It was poison, once they ate the fruit, the poison of sin entered their bodies, which eventually killed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    It was poison, once they ate the fruit, the poison of sin entered their bodies, which eventually killed them.
    It does not say "poison," however. And they lived (according to Bereishis) for several hundred years afterward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Thanks for the great argument that shows the proper way to see this myth and how you define murder as anything other that what your prick of a God does when he murders.

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    There is no argument to be made since your premise is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It does not say "poison," however. And they lived (according to Bereishis) for several hundred years afterward.
    Ya, wasn't it like 7 or 800 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Ok, it's been some time since I read the bible.... i seem to remember it being a dire warning regardless of the specific wording.

    I appreciate that, ultimately, a person would need to read as many translations as able to better grasp the true meaning.. unless you can read the original texts and understand the contexts.

    That would be impossible, as there are no original texts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I'd hardly call it murder, they lived for centuries after the fall.

    Have you read the apocryphal book of Adam and Eve?
    Probably but too long ago to remember the details.

    The bible story is what is causing all the homophobia and misogyny and I keep my focus on that yarn and not all the ones that Christianity threw in the dumpster.

    I do not think we ever lives into the many hundreds.

    You would have to believe in fantasy and the supernatural to believe such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    What punishment? Adam and Eve were warned the tree is poison if you eat you will die. They ate the poison God didn't make them do it.

    Don't jay walk you may get run over.. and someone Jay walks and is run over do you blame the City Government for passing laws prohibiting jay walking.
    What is poisonous about a tree that gives knowledge which is not eaten by stomachs but by minds?

    The tree of knowledge did not kill them. Go locking away the tree of life is what murdered them.

    God indeed made them do it when he put Satan right beside Eve so as to insure she ate of the tree.

    A set up that only the least bright will not see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Actually, that makes no sense. You do have to read the original, or get an accurate translation. Here is one:

    Bereishit 2:17

    :יז וּמֵעֵ֗ץ הַדַּ֨עַת֙ ט֣וֹב וָרָ֔ע לֹ֥א תֹאכַ֖ל מִמֶּ֑נּוּ כִּ֗י בְּי֛וֹם אֲכָלְךָ֥ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ מ֥וֹת תָּמֽוּת

    17. But of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat of it, for on the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die."

    What died if not their innocence and stupidity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Probably but too long ago to remember the details.

    The bible story is what is causing all the homophobia and misogyny and I keep my focus on that yarn and not all the ones that Christianity threw in the dumpster.

    I do not think we ever lives into the many hundreds.

    You would have to believe in fantasy and the supernatural to believe such things.

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    I wanted to read the apocryphal books to try and figure out why they would be ejected.

    Not supernatural, to me it helps strengthen the idea of the symbolism. A single individual, no, but a group could definitely hold for hundreds of year.

    I don't remember too much for specifics, but I seem to remember details like there being people outside the garden after they left, a continued relationship with the serpent, but mostly fuzzy... Years ago, and it's a struggle to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I wanted to read the apocryphal books to try and figure out why they would be ejected.

    Not supernatural, to me it helps strengthen the idea of the symbolism. A single individual, no, but a group could definitely hold for hundreds of year.

    I don't remember too much for specifics, but I seem to remember details like there being people outside the garden after they left, a continued relationship with the serpent, but mostly fuzzy... Years ago, and it's a struggle to read.
    The more you read, the more confusing it gets, especially if you do not have an esoteric ecumenist bend which clears away the unnecessary and focuses on the myths themselves and the message the sages wanted us to get.

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