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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Well never assume, but you say yourself that city states started around 5kbc which I agree on. The domestication of animals may have been done earlier it just seems to me that if domestication took place in the 50k to 100k years ago they certainly had enough time to figure it out. I'm just wondering why so much time passed before much of anything was done. Not that there is much documentation on ice age history (before 10kbc) though perhaps the book you mentioned has more information.
    One thing you would learn from that book is that we know a LOT more about that period, from 20,000 BC to 5,000 BC, than nearly everyone realizes. Because we simply do NOT teach about that period in our schools. It is before recorded history, after all; it is the period of LATE prehistory. So teaching it would, naturally, be controversial. That's too bad. It was a crucial period in the history of our species.

    There is no evidence of domestication in the period you noted, from 50k to 100k years ago---we were still sharing the Earth with the Neanderthals and other primitive hominids at that time, and the Earth was still in a deep Ice Age. The first animal to be domesticated, of course, was the dog. And we now think that Cro-Magnons were in the process of taming wolf-dogs perhaps some 30k to 40k years ago, on the Russian steppes, where there were specialized mammoth-hunters. The wolf-dogs would have been VERY useful in helping to track the mammoths, so a symbiotic relationship between these wolf-dogs and these big-game hunters was how this first domestication got started. No other animals started to become domesticated until after the end of the Ice Age some 12k years ago; sheep and goats were next, in the Middle East, followed shortly by pigs. Pigs may have also been domesticated in Southeast Asia. Cattle seem to have been domesticated ~7000 BC in the Middle East and the Aegean region. By then the Agricultural Revolution was in full swing across the Fertile Crescent, with farming villages popping up all over the place. Villages that would soon turn into towns, and not long after into cities.


    So that period from 20,000 BC to 5,000 BC really was crucial. The Sumerian civilization was up and running by around 4500 BC......
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    lol be careful what you wish for, is a good admonition.
    Look around the world and see that 2 party states are garbage.

    Look at the U.S. and see a state with the highest incarceration and abortion rates in the world, even as it touts itself as a Christian nation.

    Hurray for your two party state. Not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Agreed, there's always going to be doubt.



    Oh yes, the ones built like the resonance fields generated by different frequencies.... (ie: put sand on a board on a speaker and at certain frequencies different shapes will form in the sand)



    Even the south american shamans, they will tell you that they found the cures by talking to the plants.
    The 65-000 year old temple I was speaking about is not as you describe. It was a serpent temple built into a cane.

    Resonance fields may have been discovered eons ago though and that would not surprise me.

    To your last, I agree and some still do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It was exactly one year ago today that this discovery was announced, the oldest Homo sapiens fossils yet discovered, in Morocco, dating back roughly 300,000 years. Neanderthals and modern humans have a common ancestor dated perhaps 500,000 years ago:

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/07/healt...und/index.html

    But I don't know WHY you would say that 'nothing much happened until the last 5K years'!! Humans first reached Australia about 65,000 years ago; it would have been about like entering a new planet! We first entered the New World, date very uncertain, but much more than 5k years ago! Agriculture began quite a bit before 5K years ago. Dogs, sheep, goats, pigs, cattle, and horses were all domesticated before 5K years ago! Pottery was invented, and the bow and arrow. Metallurgy had been introduced. Frankly, it is NUTS to say nothing much happened until the last five thousand years!
    I agree here.

    Perhaps our friend wanted to indicate that it was from the Bronze age up, about 5,000 years ago, tha man adopted the male war Gods and we have built our history of almost constant war since then.

    Before that, for at least 20,000 years, the Goddesses rules over a relatively peaceful world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The 65-000 year old temple I was speaking about is not as you describe. It was a serpent temple built into a cane.

    Resonance fields may have been discovered eons ago though and that would not surprise me.

    To your last, I agree and some still do.

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    Ok, there are quite a few that show up with that search... So much of that ancient stonework is mind boggling.

    One of favourites is the South American one.. Sweet found a version.



    It doesn't show in the image, but the square block that fits is on the wall opposite. So, imagine, you could cut 4 sides of that square, but there's no known method which one could cut that back side.

    I also agree that technology has had to have been discovered and lost and rediscovered multiple times through human history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Ok, there are quite a few that show up with that search... So much of that ancient stonework is mind boggling.

    One of favourites is the South American one.. Sweet found a version.



    It doesn't show in the image, but the square block that fits is on the wall opposite. So, imagine, you could cut 4 sides of that square, but there's no known method which one could cut that back side.

    I also agree that technology has had to have been discovered and lost and rediscovered multiple times through human history.
    Given the time and so many old man made works being discovered in the deep oceans, I E. the pyramid in the Bermuda Triangle, I cannot disagree, although (our) theory has yet to be proven.

    The scientific community might be a hindrance to our proving our ideas though as they have invested quite a lot into the current models of history, while academia ignores the many pointers to a longer history for mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Not to mention Evoulution has been working this whole time.
    Example- the folk whom live in stilt housing off coast of India - they can hold breath for 5 or more minutes and not worry about depth sickness called Benz.
    Nepal folks can stand on the top of the world and not suffer low oxygen sickness.
    I think you mean "the bends" not the Benz, although some people who buy a Mercedes-Benz can get debt sickness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    No it does not or you would have put an argument against it instead of just looking like a dumb denier.

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    Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Who fell in Eden? Man or God?

    Christians see a fall for man in Eden while the Jews see it as where man was elevated.

    I see it as where, thanks to Godís murder by neglect of Adam and Eve, as where God fell. Adam and Eve would have lived much longer if God had not locked away the tree of life.

    Common sense from a simple reading of Genesis, where manís eyes were open, knowing oneself as naked as Gods and developing a moral sense, tells us that it would be seen as good for man and not a fall. They have become as Gods in the knowing of good and evil.

    I see a clear rise for improved man and a fall for a murdering God.

    Do you see as the Jews do, Original Virtue, --- or as Christians do, Original Sin, or as I do with God bringing death to earth with Original Murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    I think you mean "the bends" not the Benz, although some people who buy a Mercedes-Benz can get debt sickness.
    Which reminds me. Buick just came in second in popularity to Mercedes Benz! Now I know why,when I come out of the grocery I have to press my key fob to find my car in a sea of Buick’s!

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