Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 34
Thanks Tree36Thanks

Thread: Marriage and the Bible.

  1. #1
    SPOCK! Puzzling Evidence's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    21,146
    Thanks
    9053

    From
    Away from sharp objects>

    Marriage and the Bible.



    Apparently, it's not just between a man and a woman.

    *Please note that virgin girl children were used as sex slaves during the battle for Canaan. So much for the whole "Mohammad was pedo" thing.
    Thanks from Friday13, Arkady and Panzareta

  2. #2
    Thought Provocateur NightSwimmer's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    37,787
    Thanks
    35605

    From
    United States
    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post


    Apparently, it's not just between a man and a woman.

    *Please note that virgin girl children were used as sex slaves during the battle for Canaan. So much for the whole "Mohammad was pedo" thing.

    Back in the day, 14 year olds were middle aged.
    Thanks from BigLeRoy

  3. #3
    SPOCK! Puzzling Evidence's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    21,146
    Thanks
    9053

    From
    Away from sharp objects>
    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Back in the day, 14 year olds were middle aged.
    No, but niether women or children had very many rights.

  4. #4
    Wawa Skittletits BDBoop's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    42,816
    Thanks
    37911

    From
    Sometimes I get cranky
    To each their own, barring anyone who can’t or hasn’t given consent.
    Thanks from Puzzling Evidence and Friday13

  5. #5
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    62,558
    Thanks
    31267

    From
    Vulcan
    At least two of those items do not accurately reflect Jewish law - specifically, the so-called "levirate marriage" and the case of the rape victim. In neither case is the woman obligated to marry.

  6. #6
    Junior Member Slartibartfast's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    1,214
    Thanks
    373

    From
    UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    No, but niether women or children had very many rights.
    According to you guys, only Americans have rights

    Times have changed since the Bible's beginning. All combinations of all whatever genders can get married now.

  7. #7
    SPOCK! Puzzling Evidence's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    21,146
    Thanks
    9053

    From
    Away from sharp objects>
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    At least two of those items do not accurately reflect Jewish law - specifically, the so-called "levirate marriage" and the case of the rape victim. In neither case is the woman obligated to marry.
    Question: "Does Deuteronomy 22:28-29 command a rape victim to marry her rapist?"

    Answer: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is often pointed to by atheists, skeptics, and other Bible attackers as evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist, and therefore, not the Word of God. At first glance, this passage seems to command that a rape victim must marry her rapist. Is that the correct interpretation of the text, and if so, how is that not horribly unfair to the woman? This issue is actually addressed in two passages, both of which are below:

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

    Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."

    Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether or not it was rape or consensual) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father's permission first, negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this—he now must pay up (he can't opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was a foolish, spur-of-the-moment act and she really wasn't the right woman for him!).

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Deutero...ry-rapist.html

    Read the scriptures; at no point does it suggest that the woman gets to say no to the man, but I agree, it's not very compelling evidence that this is about rape.
    Last edited by Puzzling Evidence; 12th June 2018 at 07:55 AM.

  8. #8
    SPOCK! Puzzling Evidence's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    21,146
    Thanks
    9053

    From
    Away from sharp objects>
    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    According to you guys, only Americans have rights

    Times have changed since the Bible's beginning. All combinations of all whatever genders can get married now.
    Correct and my point is that Islam is subject to that same measure. For that matter, the United States itself when it allowed slavery.

    I'm a "you guys" now? You know me better than that.
    Thanks from Slartibartfast

  9. #9
    Veteran Member ptif219's Avatar
    Joined
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    67,096
    Thanks
    4357

    The question is why do non-believers care what the Bible says?
    Thanks from aboutenough

  10. #10
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    62,558
    Thanks
    31267

    From
    Vulcan
    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Question: "Does Deuteronomy 22:28-29 command a rape victim to marry her rapist?"
    Answer: no. It commands the rapist to marry the victim. It does not command the victim to do anything - and in fact, while he may not divorce her (assuming they married at all), the passage does not lay the same injunction upon her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Deutero...ry-rapist.html

    Read the scriptures; at no point does it suggest that the woman gets to say no to the man, but I agree, it's not very compelling evidence that this is about rape.
    I have read it. I have also studied Jewish law, which specifically clarifies that the obligations are on him, not her. The law does require anyone to marry anyone (Fiddler on the Roof notwithstanding) - except in the case of rape, in which event it is the rapist who is limited, not the victim.

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. The Satanic Bible vs. the holy bible
    By knight in forum Philosophy and Religion
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 26th March 2016, 07:07 AM
  2. Replies: 388
    Last Post: 13th June 2015, 10:56 AM
  3. The Bible Now Is Not The True Bible.
    By Nivia1904 in forum Philosophy and Religion
    Replies: 46
    Last Post: 24th December 2014, 07:36 AM
  4. Replies: 13
    Last Post: 8th February 2014, 04:26 PM
  5. The Sanctity of Marriage, according to the Bible.
    By Ronin Tetsuro in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 25th June 2012, 05:41 PM

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed