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    Yin Yang. Love Hate. Good Evil.

    If your good has no evil, then you are not a dualist and are not thinking at your best.
    This is an ignorant way of understanding dualism.

    Evil arises from one's inability to do good. Hate arises from one's inability to love. What you are foolishly claiming with your dichotomy is that light is the absence of darkness. Light are em waves and dispelling darkness is merely an essential characteristic of light, and never the other way around.

    Uhmmm...duh?

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    Not accepting well defined terms shows this plainly.

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    Correct. It is you who do not understand simple things. It is like saying nothingness is a kind of existence. How exactly does one educate a person who believes such silly things, hmmm?

    Besides, my comment does not even refer to dualities. It is about your evidently self-contradictory statement that hating haters is good. Your statement does nothing to stop hate, it merely perpetuates it in a vicious cycle.

    And fyi, if you feel it necessary to make an exposition in duality, the opposite of hate is patience or forbearance.

    Uhmmm...duh?
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    For me, hate is a higher level of dislike but I feel the hate speech laws in the UK encompass 'dislikes' and not just hate.

    So now if you dislike a certain religion or ethnic group for example, say maybe down to your own experiences, you'll get dragged over the coals for hate speech.

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    By and large, the people most active in bemoaning the deprecation of hate speech are it's most frequent users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    For me, hate is a higher level of dislike but I feel the hate speech laws in the UK encompass 'dislikes' and not just hate.

    So now if you dislike a certain religion or ethnic group for example, say maybe down to your own experiences, you'll get dragged over the coals for hate speech.
    If it is based on truth and morality, hate speech can take the heat and in fact would thrive on it.

    Would you not speak out against slavery, for instance, and show the hate that slavery deserves from freedom loving people?

    Would you not want a lot of heat from interlocutors so that your morals could cool it down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    This is an ignorant way of understanding dualism.

    Evil arises from one's inability to do good. Hate arises from one's inability to love. What you are foolishly claiming with your dichotomy is that light is the absence of darkness. Light are em waves and dispelling darkness is merely an essential characteristic of light, and never the other way around.

    Uhmmm...duh?



    Correct. It is you who do not understand simple things. It is like saying nothingness is a kind of existence. How exactly does one educate a person who believes such silly things, hmmm?

    Besides, my comment does not even refer to dualities. It is about your evidently self-contradictory statement that hating haters is good. Your statement does nothing to stop hate, it merely perpetuates it in a vicious cycle.

    And fyi, if you feel it necessary to make an exposition in duality, the opposite of hate is patience or forbearance.

    Uhmmm...duh?
    You are now on ignore you ignorant a hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    By and large, the people most active in bemoaning the deprecation of hate speech are it's most frequent users.
    Not surprising and kudos to all who promote freedom of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You are now on ignore you ignorant a hole.

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    You dish it out but you can't take it, eh?

    You are so infatuated with gnosticism you fail to realize how philosophically bankrupt it truly is. There is a reason why nobody (except your sort) takes it seriously.

    Hate is good, indeed!

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    If hate speech is censored then haters have no voice. Only then are they open to reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    This is an ignorant way of understanding dualism.

    Evil arises from one's inability to do good. Hate arises from one's inability to love. What you are foolishly claiming with your dichotomy is that light is the absence of darkness. Light are em waves and dispelling darkness is merely an essential characteristic of light, and never the other way around.

    Uhmmm...duh?



    Correct. It is you who do not understand simple things. It is like saying nothingness is a kind of existence. How exactly does one educate a person who believes such silly things, hmmm?

    Besides, my comment does not even refer to dualities. It is about your evidently self-contradictory statement that hating haters is good. Your statement does nothing to stop hate, it merely perpetuates it in a vicious cycle.

    And fyi, if you feel it necessary to make an exposition in duality, the opposite of hate is patience or forbearance.

    Uhmmm...duh?
    Kind of an opinionated explanation. Hate is the vacuum left by love. Think about it; who commits the most horrific crimes? Jilted lovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Kind of an opinionated explanation.
    Sorry but what I said isn't an opinion. It is christian ethics arising from greaco-roman philosphical thought.

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    Hate is the vacuum left by love. Think about it; who commits the most horrific crimes? Jilted lovers.
    Precisely.

    Note that you defined hate only in terms of something else -- the absence of love. This is so simply because hate has no independent or objective existence. We understand it only in relation to love.

    The thing is, hate is an inordinate, excessive or disproportionate dislike for something. And it is because it is 'inordinate, excessive or disproportionate' that we consider it evil -- that it is born of an irrational judgment.

    The point of the op is asinine -- that hate is justified towards people who are considered hateful. Doesn't that make you a hateful person yourself? Or to put it in more practical terms -- wouldn't that merely serve to escalate an emotion that is already considered 'inordinate, excessive or disproportionate'?

    The second point of the op is rather confused. Is it suggesting that the act of censorship is a hateful act (hate is good so censorship is also good)???? If anything, censorship is a more patient act. Rather than respond in kind to a hateful person, you simply take away the means by which hate speech is disseminated.
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