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    Good Without God?

    Seems more and more are rejecting Religion as it exists today.

    I would like for you to share your opinions with me. A new group has formed in Northern Ohio, joining many over the world who miss the friendships they enjoyed in Churches.

    After losing friends when I decided I could no longer accept the anger and hate of those who stepped out of line if they did not believe the same way. I felt the need for new friends. A Church that had become a branch of the Republican Party.

    Can you be good without god? | Debate.org

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    Consider joining the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Their newsletter frequently includes philosophical articles exploring an individuals ability to be “good” without the carrots and sticks of divine reward or retribution.

    Personally, I find it very disconcerting that so many people NEED the promises and threats of Heaven and Hell in order to manage their behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Consider joining the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Their newsletter frequently includes philosophical articles exploring an individuals ability to be “good” without the carrots and sticks of divine reward or retribution.

    Personally, I find it very disconcerting that so many people NEED the promises and threats of Heaven and Hell in order to manage their behavior.
    And, Djinn, I agree. For years I have tried to fit my square peg into a round hole. Trying to accept what my mind did not accept.
    My common sense in Science and Education.

    With what so many have corrupted Faith into it has become impossible for me.

    I know that many modern Chirches are trying to turn the tide but you can see the Mega Churches have become Entertainment Centers if they do not they sing fast.

    I am truly surprised so many life long Christians are just turning away now the trickle has become a flood.

    I just want to see how others feel. The Christians, those like me who really tried and have come to face reality.
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    The aforementioned FFRF newsletters also frequently contain articles written by formerly-religious people, explaining both how and why they chose to leave their faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Consider joining the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Their newsletter frequently includes philosophical articles exploring an individuals ability to be “good” without the carrots and sticks of divine reward or retribution.

    Personally, I find it very disconcerting that so many people NEED the promises and threats of Heaven and Hell in order to manage their behavior.
    Me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    The aforementioned FFRF newsletters also frequently contain articles written by formerly-religious people, explaining both how and why they chose to leave their faith.
    I am reading them all. But what I have come to accept on how I feel will not change. The last few years have changed me completely.AMJoy just had 3 Pastors-on ,who are going after the increasingly white Evangelicals.

    I noticed Franklin Graham came out against the Children separation, but still tried to lay the blame on other Politicians. Even he can not separate himself from Trump. He is tearing down what his Father built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Seems more and more are rejecting Religion as it exists today.

    I would like for you to share your opinions with me. A new group has formed in Northern Ohio, joining many over the world who miss the friendships they enjoyed in Churches.

    After losing friends when I decided I could no longer accept the anger and hate of those who stepped out of line if they did not believe the same way. I felt the need for new friends. A Church that had become a branch of the Republican Party.

    Can you be good without god? | Debate.org

    I often wonder if this is not the reason for Internet addictions.
    Religion is personal and individualized. There is no peg or hole that any of us fits into for our hearts are all different. As far as good and bad, I think it depends on what you observed while growing up. If you are raised in a nurturing, caring, compassionate, generous environment...it is the foundation of good or bad. I don't base my faith on the beliefs or behaviors of others...especially extremist beliefs. I was raised Christian, but my parents encouraged me to find my own faith and to explore what makes me happy and fulfilled. I do not belong to a specific faith or Church and attend many different faiths and Churches by invitations of like minded, compassionate friends.

    My faith opened many doors to things that are a passion to me, such as giving my time and resources. I learned how to fund raise, raise awareness toward the common good, and help people less fortunate of me. I could have done that without faith, but Churches provide the opportunities and organization. Such as the Turkey program I participate every Thanksgiving...I donate at least 500.00 to buy the food and organize the youth group to cook meals for shut ins. I only attend that particular church about 6 times a year and they call me every October to sit on the planning committee for Thanksgiving. Last week, I taught Friends and Family CPR for a local church that was offering vacation bible school to children and teens. A few years ago, I only taught one class, this year, I taught 10 classes last week. I did not receive one dime for the time spent and purchased their cards out of pocket. This is what makes ME feel good and I forget about the shit that Jeff Sessions is spewing.

    My advice, stop worrying about what other people are doing and do things that make YOU feel good and fulfilled. If you don't like the message of one Church, keep traveling until you find one that you like or feel good about. Also, there are a lot of people who call themselves Christians who are truly not and there is no such thing as a perfect Christian or one without sin...same with any other religion.

    The "Fire and Brimstone" approach has turned off a lot of people and I believe those beliefs are declining rapidly because it is insulting to people who are doing the right things, such as serving society. People do not want to sit through a couple of hours only to leave feeling like a dirt bag...they want to leave feeling good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    And, Djinn, I agree. For years I have tried to fit my square peg into a round hole. Trying to accept what my mind did not accept.
    My common sense in Science and Education.

    With what so many have corrupted Faith into it has become impossible for me.

    I know that many modern Chirches are trying to turn the tide but you can see the Mega Churches have become Entertainment Centers if they do not they sing fast.

    I am truly surprised so many life long Christians are just turning away now the trickle has become a flood.

    I just want to see how others feel. The Christians, those like me who really tried and have come to face reality.
    You can be spiritual without accepting the dogmas of organized religion, MaryAnne. As you know, I have a scientific worldview, and yet I find this Universe, this Cosmos, to be a place swirling with mystery and awe. A person can be a scientist and still be a bit of a mystic, methinks. I'm an admirer of both Pope Francis and the Dalai Lama. In fact, I would love to have a dinner with the two of them, and a long fine conversation afterwards. Would that not be wonderfully interesting? Throw a middle-aged Albert Einstein into the dinner invitation list, please, and also Charles Darwin. I'm an agnostic, and yet I also have a deep love of gospel music, which sometimes sends chills down my spine. I don't consider myself a true Christian, and yet I think I can smell a phony Christian from a mile away. Albert Einstein: "Religion without science is blind, but science without religion is lame."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I am reading them all. But what I have come to accept on how I feel will not change. The last few years have changed me completely.AMJoy just had 3 Pastors-on ,who are going after the increasingly white Evangelicals.

    I noticed Franklin Graham came out against the Children separation, but still tried to lay the blame on other Politicians. Even he can not separate himself from Trump. He is tearing down what his Father built.
    At least he spoke out...which is more than the others are doing. I also saw a group of Catholic Bishops on CNN who are fighting against child separation. There are many church organizations who are helping immigrants find their way. Don't focus it all on Jeff Sessions. He is a idiot as well as a lunatic.

    https://cwsglobal.org/our-work/refugees-and-immigrants/

    Immigration - United Church of Christ

    https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org...ugee-services/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You can be spiritual without accepting the dogmas of organized religion, MaryAnne. As you know, I have a scientific worldview, and yet I find this Universe, this Cosmos, to be a place swirling with mystery and awe. A person can be a scientist and still be a bit of a mystic, methinks. I'm an admirer of both Pope Francis and the Dalai Lama. In fact, I would love to have a dinner with the two of them, and a long fine conversation afterwards. Would that not be wonderfully interesting? Throw a middle-aged Albert Einstein into the dinner invitation list, please, and also Charles Darwin. I'm an agnostic, and yet I also have a deep love of gospel music, which sometimes sends chills down my spine. I don't consider myself a true Christian, and yet I think I can smell a phony Christian from a mile away. Albert Einstein: "Religion without science is blind, but science without religion is lame."
    Thanks LeRoy.none of us actually know the beginning of the Universe. Previous generations believed you would fall off a flat Earth

    Albert is right. We may need both. I also think that is adecision you make all alone.

    I have known people who came from horrible backgrounds that became well Educatedcaring people. They use their background to make their and their children’s life better.

    I despise lying. To me that is a character fault I find hard to deal with.

    Science and Math are at the being of our universe and the study of History should be a must so we do not repeat our mistakes.

    I am truly impressed that many Church Leaders are speaking out for truth.

    But I doubt I will ever see man made Religion the same way,ever again,the way it it being abused for naked power by some.
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