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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    The culture that makes us great is that there is no culture. No one is forced to embrace any set of ethnic or religious values, to kiss anyone's ring or look or act a certain way to live here.
    Some try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    who is saying that?
    Which bit, there's three?

    America is polarizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    The culture that makes us great is that there is no culture. No one is forced to embrace any set of ethnic or religious values, to kiss anyone's ring or look or act a certain way to live here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

    Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is the social behavior and norms found in human societies. Culture is considered a central concept in anthropology, encompassing the range of phenomena that are transmitted through social learning in human societies. Some aspects of human behavior, social practices such as culture, expressive forms such as art, music, dance, ritual, religion, and technologies such as tool usage, cooking, shelter, and clothing are said to be cultural universals, found in all human societies.

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    “The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone.“

    Unfortunately, Thomas Hobbes had great foresight....
    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    for his time, that was probably true. I'm hoping we have gotten past the need for constant war. only time will tell - but there is hope.
    I think Hobbes's point was that it is the human condition at all times, stated as a prelude to explaining his views on government and why it is necessary.

    Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.
    Leviathan, The First Part, Chapter 13, p. 62 (1651)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Let's see ... no bacon or cheese for me (kosher issues) ... hate pickles ... tabasco is a crime against food ... bun is necessary to hold in the lettuce, tomato, onions and ketchup. (I added the ketchup.)
    You hate pickles?!??


    Sir, you are.....you are....simply un-American!!

    And then you compound your sin by putting ketchup on your burger! Lemme tell you something about ketchup that you DON'T want to know. The big factory where Heinz makes all of its ketchup is located in my hometown of Muscatine, Iowa. They chose that location because the sandy soil in the Muscatine region is ideal for growing tomatoes (and melons, too, by the way; Muscatine is famous for its watermelons and cantaloupes). Some of my buddies would work at the Heinz factory during the summer, when they were very busy manufacturing ketchup for the burger-famished hordes of America. They used to have people in hip boots squishing the tomatoes into a fine paste as an intermediate step in the process of making ketchup. I'm sure they've automated that process since my days in high school; seems like it would be very easy to automate. But, back then, my buddies told me they would be in these big vats, squishing tomatoes, and, well, let's just say, the restrooms were located an inconveniently long distance away...……...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    So what's the criteria to the American Culture?

    If you make it great again, what was it and where did it go?
    Moreover, if ever there was a "great" U.S. in any one era, what else might have been going on at the same time, that was not so great and is it more than a pipe dream to suggest one can make a nation "great again" without also bringing along all the negative baggage of any one or collective eras, any nation was "great" during?

    If there is any perception that America was "great" during WWII, would anyone suggest we need another WWII (because WWIII is not going to be the same) to be "great again"?

    I believe I am as curious as any American might be to know the true meaning of the slogan and what was so terrible (depending on what facet of life one is discussing) about the U.S. at the time Donald Trump ran to become President, since the economy had risen from very great depths and was continuing to rise, slowly and steadily.

    While "Make America Great Again" appeals to one's emotions regarding anything they might be feeling at any one moment that is not great, especially for them, individually, it does not set someone to thinking about what it might really mean, in all practicality, aside from being a slogan that some have latched on to, like a life preserver, but not really knowing how or whether it is going to sink or float. It's become a security blanket for some, but I don't know if they are sure why.

    Good question and who on earth does not want their nation to be "great" all the time, but don't fool themselves to believe there won't also be negatives at the same time or unintended negative consequences of any moves to make something great again.

    I think it also depends on what side of the partisan divide one sits on as to what is great about America, at its core and has not been so great with regard to specific eras, incidences and other "values". Some of those things depend upon geographic regions in the weighing of majority attitudes. No matter where and when there are exceptions.

    One might believe America was falling apart at the seams at every election (based on what candidates run on) and especially the last (even though it had made its way back in a major way from the depths of a "Great Recession"). We have a POTUS who has insinuated he is the greatest human being to have ever lived and the greatest President America has ever had and one who calls his predecessors things like "stupid" and "weak" and people that do not see things the way he sees them as "unpatriotic" or "unAmerican". One might get the impression the current POTUS has a special dislike for at least half or America. Others, see certain things in the core of America as great, such as multiculturalism and those that have always fought for making sure the environment they will hand to their children, is still healthy and living a culture of doing unto others as they would have others do unto them, in spite of those who seem to believe respecting one another is tantamount to being "weak" and too "politically correct" (too respectful?).

    In short I suppose one could say the nation seems to be divided between those who see things through glasses that observe "good" and "evil", consideration and respect for others, besides themselves, while others seem to see things through political partisanship or greedy/selfish....it's all about me, glasses.

    Yes, it is about us, but it's not all about us, since we live on a planet with seven and a half billion other human beings. We can all decide to formulate an "all about us and nobody else", selfish universal ideology or more fully adopt one where of course, it is about us, but about everyone else, too. We can't expect others to be nicer to us that we would be to them, so perhaps we need to learn to approach life more from an attitude of doing to others, what we want them to do to us, instead of doing unto others, the worst things, they could do or have done to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    Which bit, there's three?

    America is polarizing.
    the bit about making America great again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You hate pickles?!??


    Sir, you are.....you are....simply un-American!!

    And then you compound your sin by putting ketchup on your burger! Lemme tell you something about ketchup that you DON'T want to know. The big factory where Heinz makes all of its ketchup is located in my hometown of Muscatine, Iowa. They chose that location because the sandy soil in the Muscatine region is ideal for growing tomatoes (and melons, too, by the way; Muscatine is famous for its watermelons and cantaloupes). Some of my buddies would work at the Heinz factory during the summer, when they were very busy manufacturing ketchup for the burger-famished hordes of America. They used to have people in hip boots squishing the tomatoes into a fine paste as an intermediate step in the process of making ketchup. I'm sure they've automated that process since my days in high school; seems like it would be very easy to automate. But, back then, my buddies told me they would be in these big vats, squishing tomatoes, and, well, let's just say, the restrooms were located an inconveniently long distance away...……...
    Makes me glad i was never a fan of ketchup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I think Hobbes's point was that it is the human condition at all times, stated as a prelude to explaining his views on government and why it is necessary.


    Leviathan, The First Part, Chapter 13, p. 62 (1651)
    I would say you and I have a different idea of what government" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    So what's the criteria to the American Culture?

    If you make it great again, what was it and where did it go?
    America is a blend of cultures from all over the world. You can find a Mexican restaurant next to one serving Greek, and no one finds that strange. We recognize Christmas and Kwanzaa along with quinceaneras. You hear Spanish, Hmong, Japanese, you name it, mostly spoken by people who also speak English.


    The one unifying cultural value is freedom. May we never abandon that one. It goes back to the founding, even before, with the words, "all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.....

    And the purpose of government is to protect those rights.

    Not a purpose, the purpose.
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