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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    So what's the criteria to the American Culture?

    If you make it great again, what was it and where did it go?
    The Simpsons.

    That is the perfect illustration of American culture and the response to that culture - and that fact is a large part of it's success.

    Anthony Bourdain said - Is there a sharper commentary on American culture in the world than The Simpsons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    America is a blend of cultures from all over the world. You can find a Mexican restaurant next to one serving Greek, and no one finds that strange. We recognize Christmas and Kwanzaa along with quinceaneras. You hear Spanish, Hmong, Japanese, you name it, mostly spoken by people who also speak English.


    The one unifying cultural value is freedom. May we never abandon that one. It goes back to the founding, even before, with the words, "all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.....

    And the purpose of government is to protect those rights.

    Not a purpose, the purpose.
    Because of globalization cultures of all over the world are present in all Western developped countries. If you go to Paris, London or Berlin you will find the same"ethnic" restaurants one beside the other even if you have also other ones dedicated to more local gastronomical cultures. In most Western countries you will find a lot of people born in foreign countries. In mine we have 25% of non-Swiss living here. I think that Freedom which is a very nice word is too general to express what is unifying. I would rather choose the rule of law and the respect of individual rights first. Freddom is only a consequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You hate pickles?!??


    Sir, you are.....you are....simply un-American!!

    And then you compound your sin by putting ketchup on your burger! Lemme tell you something about ketchup that you DON'T want to know. The big factory where Heinz makes all of its ketchup is located in my hometown of Muscatine, Iowa. They chose that location because the sandy soil in the Muscatine region is ideal for growing tomatoes (and melons, too, by the way; Muscatine is famous for its watermelons and cantaloupes). Some of my buddies would work at the Heinz factory during the summer, when they were very busy manufacturing ketchup for the burger-famished hordes of America. They used to have people in hip boots squishing the tomatoes into a fine paste as an intermediate step in the process of making ketchup. I'm sure they've automated that process since my days in high school; seems like it would be very easy to automate. But, back then, my buddies told me they would be in these big vats, squishing tomatoes, and, well, let's just say, the restrooms were located an inconveniently long distance away......
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    American (or more specifically US) culture was never greater than it is today. More than half the people on this board express concern for the rights and treatment of people they don't know - both in the US, and elsewhere. All democracies unwittingly elect total arseholes, in the hope that they will benefit 'our tribe', from time to time (remember 'Maggie the Milk Snatcher'?) but these are cycles that pass.

    And I guess all older people view the days of their youth as a 'golden era', whereas the only thing golden about those times was the fact that they were younger, fitter, and things didn't get them down so easily. It's hard to be positive about society if you are in nagging pain, or physically can't do stuff you used to.

    Crime across the developed world is lower than it has been in the past hundred years; we are living ten, sometimes twenty, years longer than our great grandparents; we have more labour-saving devices than those grandparents ever dreamt of; we have less social discrimination, and more knowledge of the world around us, than most people who were adults in the 1950s; and our world has more variety and colour than the 'three piece suit, homburg, and furled umbrella' of that time.

    And each era has it's worries. Today it seems to be uncontrolled immigration and a fear of terrorism - but statistically, we are all much more likely to be killed by a small, random meteor, or a lightening strike, than by a terrorist. In the 1950s and 1960s the la terreur du jour was nuclear annihilation (the practical threat of which exists as much, if not more, today - but no one seems bothered).

    To paraphrase - the death of American culture has been greatly exaggerated. And financial and military pre-eminence at the expense of others is not the same thing as greatness. Your greatness lies in the nature of your people - rich or poor, powerful or modest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    Because of globalization cultures of all over the world are present in all Western developped countries. If you go to Paris, London or Berlin you will find the same"ethnic" restaurants one beside the other even if you have also other ones dedicated to more local gastronomical cultures. In most Western countries you will find a lot of people born in foreign countries. In mine we have 25% of non-Swiss living here. I think that Freedom which is a very nice word is too general to express what is unifying. I would rather choose the rule of law and the respect of individual rights first. Freddom is only a consequence.
    Agreed, freedom is a consequence of rule of law and respect for individual rights. Is the culture of the US really that much different, then from that of other western democracies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You hate pickles?!??

    Sir, you are.....you are....simply un-American!!
    Lol ... I've been accused of being not Jewish on that account, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    And then you compound your sin by putting ketchup on your burger!
    Ketchup goes on hamburgers, mustard on hot dogs. Quit confusing the two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    I would say you and I have a different idea of what government" is.
    More like you and Hobbes. I did not speak for or against Hobbes; I said only that his position was not based on his times but rather on a position of the human condition in all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    I would rather choose the rule of law and the respect of individual rights first. Freddom is only a consequence.
    I do not believe you can have the rule of law or respect for individual rights without freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galatin View Post
    Because of globalization cultures of all over the world are present in all Western developped countries. If you go to Paris, London or Berlin you will find the same"ethnic" restaurants one beside the other even if you have also other ones dedicated to more local gastronomical cultures. In most Western countries you will find a lot of people born in foreign countries. In mine we have 25% of non-Swiss living here. I think that Freedom which is a very nice word is too general to express what is unifying. I would rather choose the rule of law and the respect of individual rights first. Freddom is only a consequence.
    I would expand a bit to say that it is the rule of law that protects individual rights as well as balances individual rights against individual rights. By that I mean respect of individual rights is great, as long as the respect is mutual. What one person wants an individual right to do, may infringe on what someone else wants an individual right to do. Unless individuals agree to compromise and respect one another's rights, a third party (usually in the form of government (rule of law)) is often needed to resolve conflict and usually in the interest of the many, not the individual and the interest of many is not necessarily mutually exclusive from individual rights. Many would not have individual rights, were it not for a rule of law that requires respect for them or protection of them. In short, the ultra wealthy or a racial majority, may, by their majority, suppress those who are a racial minority, not because they desire to be of that race, but because it happens to be the fate of their birth. This is why our nation and others, have constitutions that make an effort to take that into account, even if some in those nations continue to make efforts to oppress and suppress some minorities, less on what they do, but because of some superficial characteristic like their skin color and because within their society they represent a minority o the population.

    If one holds that all men (women too) are created equal, then it really would not due to then have one portion of humanity suppress or oppress another, based on the fate of their genes. Whether one believes in spontaneous creation of human beings or the origins of man and evolution, that we all share a common origin is not widely disputed, if disputed to any degree.

    We don't live as individuals, islands or in a vacuum with regard to the existence of the vast majority of human beings, we live in societies, thus while our individual rights are important, one has to remember there are billions of individuals, all who wish to claim "individual rights" and while the rights we desire for ourselves as individuals may match those of others in many ways, there are more than enough instances where they do not, that some basis for resolving a conflict, is needed. I believe too few people think in terms of putting themselves in the place of any of those around them, in order to balance out their own desires (desired rights) with those of others. Too many seem to believe only their rights are righteous.

    If 7.5 billion people want to believe only their individual rights should predominate over anyone else's, then we should brace ourselves for a lot more conflict than we already see, If we come from the perspective that yes, our individual rights are very important, but that everyone else, is just like us and our individual rights are more likely to be respected if we mutually respect one another's individual rights. In other words, it all seems to lead back to the ethics of reciprocity which have transcended all kinds of cultures, religions and philosophy of the sages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I do not believe you can have the rule of law or respect for individual rights without freedom.
    There were those in the south of America and in some cases in all of America who at one point believed they were "free" to own and enslave other human beings ......Following a war to end that, they then went on to believe they were "free" to discriminate against the descendants of many of same people their ancestors had owned and enslaved. It would seem individual freedom is not a complete concept, unless all people are equally free to pursue their individual rights, in the context of mutual respect and compromises where individual rights conflict or oppress the individual rights of others.

    It is interesting to think that slaves gained freedom at the cost of the perceived or desired freedom of others, to enslave them. That and more, would seem to indicate that all "freedoms" are not equal or that "freedom" in the minds of some, depends upon personal perspective and may, as history has shown, involve the "freedom" to enslave. The "rule of law" is only as good as the perspective of those that make the laws their society is then ruled by. Without proportionate representation or equal right to vote for representation, it would be hard to say any society as a whole is free. We've come a long way, considering it was not until 1920 that women won a right to be free to vote like other citizens. We still have a way to go with regard to equal protection of rights under the rule of law.
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