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    That's the thing... Sabbath observations are supposed to be inconvenient. That's why there's no edict requiring Orthodox Jews to observe Sabbath by eating fudge or playing skee-ball.

    It's a sacrifice. And if you choose to make these sacrifices, good on you. But part of the sacrifice involves not complaining about it.
    I don't think they are complaining about the sacrifice. They are complaining that the BOD won't accommodate them so that they don't have to be more inconvenienced than they already are.

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    I don't think they are complaining about the sacrifice. They are complaining that the BOD won't accommodate them so that they don't have to be more inconvenienced than they already are.
    But their inconvenience is voluntary. This isn't about making life more difficult for a disabled person. This is about installing ecologically-responsible motion-sensing lights. These people are only as inconvenienced as they want to be.
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    If they invested in a couple of these, perhaps they would be able to leave.

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    But their inconvenience is voluntary. This isn't about making life more difficult for a disabled person. This is about installing ecologically-responsible motion-sensing lights. These people are only as inconvenienced as they want to be.
    You could say that about everything and never have any religious accommodations made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You could say that about everything and never have any religious accommodations made.

    Religious belief is not an inherent quality like physical or mental disability, race, ethnicity or sexual orientation. It is a personal choice. I see no rational reason for the general public to be responsible for making accommodations for an individual's personal preferences, and that includes preferences dictated by one's chosen religious belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You could say that about everything and never have any religious accommodations made.
    In the private sector, it's up to the religious adherent to work out the accommodations. After all, it's not like a prison, public school, or courthouse. They're in that condominium by choice.

    There are too many religions for private institutions to accommodate them all, and it would be wrong to accommodate one religion, but not another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    In the private sector, it's up to the religious adherent to work out the accommodations. After all, it's not like a prison, public school, or courthouse. They're in that condominium by choice.

    There are too many religions for private institutions to accommodate them all, and it would be wrong to accommodate one religion, but not another.

    If we're going to make fair accommodations for all of the world's religions, then we'll have to deal with people taking mescaline and engaging in ritual sacrifice.

    I'm old enough to remember when blue laws were still in effect, but they didn't offer any assistance to Jews, because they applied to the wrong Sabbath.
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    “At the very least, I would encourage them to stand strong by such things, because they are important,” Rabbi Yehoshua Yeamans of Congregation B’nai Israel Ohev Zedek said of the Senecals’ embrace of Shabbat observance.

    But the Senecals are tired of standing strong. Alan Senecal said the board is staging elections in August and, if no changes are made, the couple plans on moving out.

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    They have plans to move if they don't get the results they are seeking, sounds reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    In the private sector, it's up to the religious adherent to work out the accommodations. After all, it's not like a prison, public school, or courthouse. They're in that condominium by choice.

    There are too many religions for private institutions to accommodate them all, and it would be wrong to accommodate one religion, but not another.
    OK well a condo board can make an accommodation for any request of any nature if it wants to and membership doesn't have a strong objection. As I said, I would vote for the light situation but say sorry about the pool. I wouldn't even care about the electricity, but if others did, I would say ok they can pay the difference then. It's not that big of a deal. I personally lean towards compromise and goodwill whenever possible.
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    “At the very least, I would encourage them to stand strong by such things, because they are important,” Rabbi Yehoshua Yeamans of Congregation B’nai Israel Ohev Zedek said of the Senecals’ embrace of Shabbat observance.

    But the Senecals are tired of standing strong. Alan Senecal said the board is staging elections in August and, if no changes are made, the couple plans on moving out.

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    They have plans to move if they don't get the results they are seeking, sounds reasonable.
    I want to call them and say they can get a petition from the membership . Whatever the % required in their by-laws, if they can get that many members to agree, they can have their will.

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