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    I call BS on the elevator scheme! Ian????? Is that logic derived from the same idea of leaving a light on continuously starting before the sabbath?
    Yes, that is the fundamental logic. Since it is turned on before Shabbat, and neither activated nor deactivated on Shabbat, some people hold that it is permissble. I have never enountered one, but in all likelihood I would not use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I am not familiar with these.
    What? Do you live in the dark ages? Homes can now be automated. I can set up routings, flows, or automations (depending on the app) to control my lighting, television, garage door, outlets and more. Philips Hue is the most commonly known one. A light can be set to come on every Friday night one hour before sunset and turn off at 10:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I think these people are just too strict for the modern world and will ultimately be better off moving at least to a place with more Jews and decisions about such things being made in their favor.
    It is not a matter of "being strict." The rules are what they are, and do not change with technology. The application of the rules is, of course, affected by the facts and technology, but that is not the same thing. But yes, they would probably be better off moving (back) into a Jewish community where this is less of a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes, that is the fundamental logic. Since it is turned on before Shabbat, and neither activated nor deactivated on Shabbat, some people hold that it is permissble. I have never enountered one, but in all likelihood I would not use it.
    And probably don't buy penthouse apartments to live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    What? Do you live in the dark ages?
    Lol. No, I just do not know everything. Plus, I have no desire to automate everything, so I do not always go for the latest in everything.

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    A light can be set to come on every Friday night one hour before sunset and turn off at 10:00 PM.
    I can already do that with a standard 24-hour timer. I have one of those set to a light box to help wake me up during the week. If I'm lucky, I remember to turn off the box before Shabbat so it does not turn the light on at 4:30am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    That said, I don't understand how ANYONE can practice Catholicism. The fundamental flaws in this religion are unavoidable and incurable.

    People who say they are practicing Catholics are, IME, either treating the religion like a tribal ritual OR have an extreme disregard for the dogma. IOW, they are not at all spiritual but obeying this conspiracy of pedophiles is otherwise gratifying to them.

    And IMO, that is fucked up.

    Uhh wasn't my choice, really. The conquistadors sorta just showed up on my island 600 years ago during one of their membership drives and asked my ancestors to worship the Middle Eastern God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I think these people are just too strict for the modern world and will ultimately be better off moving at least to a place with more Jews and decisions about such things being made in their favor. Fixing the lights wouldn't be enough. He is longingly looking at people enjoying the pool. They are miserable.
    Most people are happier living where their customs are not puzzling to their communities.

    Not sure what you mean by "too strict for the modern world". I can't think of any first world career an ultra-Orthodox Jew could not do, except possibly state executioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    And probably don't buy penthouse apartments to live in.
    Penthouses generally have dedicated elevators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Lol. No, I just do not know everything. Plus, I have no desire to automate everything, so I do not always go for the latest in everything.


    I can already do that with a standard 24-hour timer. I have one of those set to a light box to help wake me up during the week. If I'm lucky, I remember to turn off the box before Shabbat so it does not turn the light on at 4:30am.
    Using a Smart Outlet and Stringify, you could set your lights to turn on when you turn into the driveway. You could set your home to increase the heat when you leave work headed that direction. I have set up routines that turn on the lights at certain times on certain days ONLY if we are home. I really don't want all my lights turning on when I am spending a week in the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    To me, this reads the same way as if someone had a superstition against stepping on a crack (for fear of breaking his mother's back), and then the community put in a new sidewalk consisting of bricks, such that it was impossible to use it without stepping on cracks. If you're imprisoned that way by your superstitions, it's time to seek professional help.
    No, a religious observation is entirely different from a phobia.

    I'm afraid of big dogs I don't know. If a St. Bernard wanders into the grocery and me and the orthodox Muslim lady are both unwilling to touch it, there are completely different reasons, solutions, consequences, etc.

    Not to say religious observations don't feature in psychotic delusions, OCD rituals, etc. Sometimes they do. But then they aren't "religious" anymore, as healthy people practice a faith.

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