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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I don't know about modern Gnostics, but ancient Gnostics had a different view of God based out of the neoplatonists. See the Demiurge, different than the monotheism most people are familiar with.
    True. We see the genocidal son murdering Yahweh as evil while somehow Christians see him as good and will not do apologetics for him.

    I think that to be hypocritical.

    In our myths we postulate a God above Yahweh but in reality we recognize that all Gods are man made.

    Literalism, from our POV is not wanting to know the truth of the messages in scriptures. We continue to think more like the ancients did before literal reading of myths reared it's ugly head.

    Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    Oh yeah....

    The Roman Church turned Jesus into God just to hide this fact, to create a chasm separating humans from spirit, direct contact with spirit, a chasm only they can bridge, and if they don't bridge it for ya, and you don't do as you're told, it's eternity in conscious pain and torment.
    You have it right and the Pope continues with that lie even today in this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_bvGTc6SM8

    That is anti-Gnostic Christian thinking as well as possibly the thinking of some protestant sects if they follow Martin Luther's thinking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_qnsTr7I04

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    Please define "spiritual garbage."
    I would have to know what information you are talking about to evaluate it.

    I do not recall using that term. I do see and use supernatural garbage and that would be all supernatural statements of facts that no one can possibly know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It is G-d speaking in terms humans can comprehend.


    Little if anything - which is precisely the point. We cannot really comprehend what G-d is, because anything within human experience - i.e., the natural - will be insufficient. If a human can understand G-d, then He would not be G-d.
    I agree for the supernatural Gods.

    I do not find where the word God was defined as supernatural in the more ancient days before stupid literalism as they used to apply that word to Emperors as well as usung sons of God for their children.

    I agree with your first and we have to trust that your God was using a precise analogy, him being perfect and all. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    I'll argue this: If God has personality attributes, then what we envision as God has a God, a creator.

    If one adheres to the concept of ex nihilo creation, then that same logic would dictate that the creator also required a creator...

    or turtles. ;

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    I think the ancient Gnostics thought of the snake in the garden of Eden to be a liberating force, as in removing their ignorance and making them more equal with the gods. Which for anti Christians, would probably be more sympathetic to their humanist views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You have it right and the Pope continues with that lie even today in this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_bvGTc6SM8

    That is anti-Gnostic Christian thinking as well as possibly the thinking of some protestant sects if they follow Martin Luther's thinking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_qnsTr7I04

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    Remember, being a Christian means belonging to the church.......
    Wild. The pope clarifies: The church owns your soul, or at least, that's what it wants you to believe. The kicker: a christian church member pays the church for the privilege of being owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I would have to know what information you are talking about to evaluate it.

    I do not recall using that term. I do see and use supernatural garbage and that would be all supernatural statements of facts that no one can possibly know.

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    My apology: you're correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If one adheres to the concept of ex nihilo creation, then that same logic would dictate that the creator also required a creator...

    or turtles. ;


    Universes of universes, can you picture that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If one adheres to the concept of ex nihilo creation, then that same logic would dictate that the creator also required a creator...

    or turtles. ;
    That notion, I think, was first introduced by Gnostic Christianity. God above God.

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