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    I said nothing of the kind. I said, "The OP is looking for an excuse to attack jews, irrespective of whether it violates a PH rule."
    That is not the point. The point is for you to stop flinging accusations of anti-semitism arbitrarily.

    I see no attack on jews here. If anything, it is similar to st. augustine's apologetic in de civitate dei -- on the reasons why god allowed rome to be sacked. Give your bloated ego a rest.

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    My hypothesis is merely a variation on the theory of the Sephardic rabbi Ovadia Yosef. So if I am anti-Semitic, so is Yosef. Either God intervenes in human affairs or he doesn't. If he had a role in the Exodus, then he could just well have had a role in the Holocaust.

    The idea that oppressors could be transformed into victims is an old tool of irony, most notably used, sometimes with a heavy hand, on The Twilight Zone. And since that program was created by a Jew, Rod Serling, one could say my approach to the Holocaust has a Jewish sensibility.
    Your OP is 100% unadulterated grade A bullshit. No one knows what god thinks or even if god exists in the first place. You are attempting to justify the Holocaust. That's exactly what the Nazi's did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    That is not the point. The point is for you to stop flinging accusations of anti-semitism arbitrarily.

    I see no attack on jews here. If anything, it is similar to st. augustine's apologetic in de civitate dei -- on the reasons why god allowed rome to be sacked. Give your bloated ego a rest.
    Oh, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE, you insufferable blow-hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    You'll say all sorts of nonsense to detract from your hypocrisy.
    As with other threads, you have entered this one solely to make personal attacks against me. Please quit dumping on the board. If you need to work it out with someone, a therapist would be more appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    You're argument is that they are fake persecution claims because those alleged persecutions are legal.
    They are fake persecutions because what they call "persecution" is the denial of the right to persecute others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    The abrahamic covenant confers no special privilege?

    No land was promised? Descendants? A great nation?
    Clearly, you did not read my entire post. And I was not talking to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    That is not the point.
    Yes, it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    The point is for you to stop flinging accusations of anti-semitism arbitrarily.
    I have done no such thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    I see no attack on jews here. If anything, it is similar to st. augustine's apologetic in de civitate dei -- on the reasons why g-d allowed rome to be sacked. Give your bloated ego a rest.
    The "bloated ego" is all yours. I did not come to this board to attack you. You seem to have a vendetta or other personal problem, here. Please work it out with someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Why did God let Hitler kill the Jews? It is a question that has troubled rabbinical scholars for decades. Since God had intervened to protect and nurture Jews in Biblical times, why had He forsaken them in the modern era?

    One possibility was offered by a Sephardic rabbi, Ovadia Yosef of Jerusalem, who suggested in 2000 that sinful Jews had been reincarnated during the Third Reich so that they could atone for their sins by suffering through the Holocaust. His theory presumes a kind of racial/religious purity: only Jews can be reincarnated as Jews. But if the Holocaust was intended as an especially heinous punishment for heinous sinners, why limit it to Jews? Why not reincarnate really bad Catholics, Communists and Muslims in the bodies of those destined for the concentration camps? Indeed, why not go to the other extreme? If Jews are morally superior, maybe only non-Jews were reincarnated to suffer at the hands of the Nazis. Ergo, no "real" Jews died in the Holocaust.

    If history is repeating itself, a new crop of really bad non-Jewish souls have been reincarnated as the current residents of Israel, who will be exterminated by the Islamo-fascists. There are no Jews in Israel.
    At a fundamental level this is just the "problem of evil." If there is an all-powerful and benevolent deity, why does he allow bad things to happen -- not just the Holocaust, but centuries of pogroms, Inquisitions, anti-Semitism, going back to the Babylonian captivity and the (probably mythical) captivity in Egypt. I think polytheistic religions have less of a problem on that front, since they don't start with the assumption of an all-powerful and benevolent deity. There are many different forces in a polytheistic world, none of which are omnipotent and omniscient. So when Odysseus is made to suffer for years on his trip back to Ithaca, there's no mystery about why God would let that happen. It can be explained by one god having a vendetta against him (Poseidon) while another works to protect him (Athena).

    As for the attempt to deal with the problem of evil by imagining that somehow only bad non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust, that's a repugnant notion. Six million Jews died in the Holocaust. It was an act of unspeakable evil. If your theology has no way to cope with such evil other than inventing supernatural occurrences that allow you to believe that people like, say, Ann Frank, were "really bad Catholics, Communists, and Muslims," then it's a demented theology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    There is a hell of a lot more problem with the OP than simply that I "don't like what someone says." The OP is looking for an excuse to attack Jews, irrespective of whether it violates a PH rule.
    How is that different from "Liberals are poopy heads" in either a thread title or as a post? I'm not sure being attacked for religion or race is that much worse than be told your values are a "mental disorder".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    Why did God let Hitler kill the Jews? It is a question that has troubled rabbinical scholars for decades. Since God had intervened to protect and nurture Jews in Biblical times, why had He forsaken them in the modern era?

    One possibility was offered by a Sephardic rabbi, Ovadia Yosef of Jerusalem, who suggested in 2000 that sinful Jews had been reincarnated during the Third Reich so that they could atone for their sins by suffering through the Holocaust. His theory presumes a kind of racial/religious purity: only Jews can be reincarnated as Jews. But if the Holocaust was intended as an especially heinous punishment for heinous sinners, why limit it to Jews? Why not reincarnate really bad Catholics, Communists and Muslims in the bodies of those destined for the concentration camps? Indeed, why not go to the other extreme? If Jews are morally superior, maybe only non-Jews were reincarnated to suffer at the hands of the Nazis. Ergo, no "real" Jews died in the Holocaust.

    If history is repeating itself, a new crop of really bad non-Jewish souls have been reincarnated as the current residents of Israel, who will be exterminated by the Islamo-fascists. There are no Jews in Israel.
    Anti-Semitic crap.

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