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    Interesting question. In my opinion, Religion is a subjective term. I can have faith in God and believe in God while embracing logic. The problem may occur when beliefs are taken to extremes. I read the Bible everyday to keep contact with my faith, but I do not follow it lock stock and barrel. I cannot speak for others but as a catholic ,I use it as a guide more than a rule book.
    I also know the Bible was written by many men over time. It has been changed, Chapters taken away. Every translation changes the former. Interpretation can change one word,mean something different. I found that especially true in the latest versions replacing the King James Version.

    I once asked a Pastor how we went from disliking Jews because they killed Christ to now thinking they are above it all. My answer? Changing generations. That was no answer at all. I am intelligent enough to know that a small group of Jews followed Christ. The rest disavowed him. I am simply explaining how the thinking in many Churches changed over the years.

    I do not understand how so many increasingly preach anger at those who think different.

    My logic takes over concerning the man written Bible. That is also why the young are rejecting Religion. They see the,” Do as I say,not what I do attitude.”
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    There’s only a contradiction if you state your faith as a fact. Confusing the two things.

    Since hundreds of millions of good, honest hard-working, logical people don’t do that - it seems kind of disengenuous to me to shit all over them if there’s someone else running around who does.

    Ask how people can give money to Southern US hateful spittle-mouthed TV preacher con-men and be logical. Leave the lady at my church who’s faith drives her to spend 8 hours a week volunteering to organize complicated Syrian refugee sponsorships out of it.

    My mom lives in a safe, clean housing complex for low income pensioners which is built and maintained by a United Church congregation with about 200 people in it busting a gut to keep things afloat.


    Im sorry some douchebag, dickhead with the same religion in Alabama or Arkansas or South Kentucky fried whatever something the fuck hates gay people, steals money, ruins school boards and fiddles little kids - but seriously no one else in the world deserves any shit over it.

    Every politician and celebrity in the Ststes looks like a total asshole. So if Christians in the States in news and on tv are total assholes, that’s probably just about who gets airtime and attention.
    You just described what Religion means to many of us. I could be in a Retirement Center. Instead I choose to be Independant, Volunteer and lead an active life. The day may come when I can not, but until then. There are millions just like me all over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I also know the Bible was written by many men over time. It has been changed, Chapters taken away. Every translation changes the former. Interpretation can change one word,mean something different. I found that especially true in the latest versions replacing the King James Version.

    I once asked a Pastor how we went from disliking Jews because they killed Christ to now thinking they are above it all. My answer? Changing generations. That was no answer at all. I am intelligent enough to know that a small group of Jews followed Christ. The rest disavowed him. I am simply explaining how the thinking in many Churches changed over the years.

    I do not understand how so many increasingly preach anger at those who think different.

    My logic takes over concerning the man written Bible. That is also why the young are rejecting Religion. They see the,” Do as I say,not what I do attitude.”
    MA, that’s the problem with denominations claiming superiority over others. It seems to allow certain pastors a false justification to preach rage in the name of their sect being “right”. In my opinion,that’s a slap in the face at those wanting a relationship with God.
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    I don't think faith and religion are the same thing. Being religious is what people do to try to please God. Having faith is believing in what God does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    MA, that’s the problem with denominations claiming superiority over others. It seems to allow certain pastors a false justification to preach rage in the name of their sect being “right”. In my opinion,that’s a slap in the face at those wanting a relationship with God.
    Of course it is. Become a power struggle instead of what faith is supposed to mean.

    I was asked by a lovely friend if my new Church washed feet. Same denomination,different Pastors.After talking with older members they used to under an Old Pastor. It is a sign of humility, different attitudes.

    That is why I asked in the other thread about who made these rules. Of course they are man made. One group decides they want to do something different, they syptart a new Church. Now,we are over Churched. They are closing all over. The Mega Churches are Entertainment Centers, based on Religion. I have 9 Churches in less than a mile,many others close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 stringer View Post
    I don't think faith and religion are the same thing. Being religious is what people do to try to please God. Having faith is believing in what God does.
    Having faith is believing in God. Religion is strictly man made, much abused by man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
    No.

    Logic relies on evidence and faith is a child believing in Santa Claus.
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    There is a road named New Hampshire Blvd, here in Md. This road has no fewer than 33 churches in 15 miles. The most beautiful is the Chinese pagoda church.
    It's worthy of pictures saying you were in China.
    Even with the congregation pouring out ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I have a very serious question. First off, I know what you're thinking, that I'm about to slam religion as I always do. Hopefully this thread doesn't sink to that.

    How can logic and faith coexist? Can they coexist?
    I'm a very cynical person, have been my entire life. I hear stories told by those of faith, read the Bible...and the results are always the same. Logic stands in the way. I simply can't get past the logic that is always lacking in Bible stories. Noah simply couldn't have done what is claimed. Crucified people don't return from the dead. Burning bushes can't talk...and on and on and on.
    Then there is my belief that those of faith believe in these things simply because of a fear of death...they cling to the desire for there to be more to our existence than what we have in our lifetime. This is what my common sense and logic tell me is true. I cling to that belief as strongly as those of faith cling to their belief.
    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
    Most scientists are religious, of one sort or another. Logic has little to do with forming a strong moral code, or bonding with a community, or finding meaning in major life events. So it's possible, IMO, to believe the silliest things as part of one's spiritual life without that impairing one's higher brain functions.

    I think it depends on what purpose religion plays in that person's life. Delegating major decisions to outside authorities and using shame to enforce rigid behavior codes on others? Most likely, logic is not a highly-developed skill for that person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Having faith is believing in God. Religion is strictly man made, much abused by man.
    Agree, pretty much what I said.

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