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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Here is a saying from the Book of Proverbs. "The Love of Money is the Root of all Evil" . To you is this saying nonsense and Illogical ?
    I don't know. Ask Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    True but investigators will always be driven to find out what it is that creates that attraction/love.
    Spock here.

    It's mostly the pheromones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I think John Lennon had the right answer. Imagine no religion, nothing to kill or die for. No built-in excuses for raping children or taking people's money etc etc.
    You really think that would be the case just by getting rid of religion? Human history, even in the 20th century, does not bear that out.

    I am not saying that religion does not have a long history of being used to justify the most atrocious of behaviors. But if humanity does not have one excuse, it will invent another, is my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's mostly the pheromones.
    An episode of Soap had a character opine that "there's more to sex than love." That was a great series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    An episode of Soap had a character opine that "there's more to sex than love." That was a great series.

    I remember watching that show with my mom sometimes. That, and Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.

    She loved soap opera lampoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You really think that would be the case just by getting rid of religion? Human history, even in the 20th century, does not bear that out.

    I am not saying that religion does not have a long history of being used to justify the most atrocious of behaviors. But if humanity does not have one excuse, it will invent another, is my point.
    Yeah but this is an excuse factory that keeps on giving. And with a whole lotta folks who want so badly to believe the sinners. Just look at the Child rapists in the Catholic church and how each diocese simply moved the offenders around which resulted in even more victimization. What other entity could have gotten away with that? It's the single best way to not only absolve guilt but avoid detection/punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I don't know. Ask Trump.
    I am asking you and trying to address the question of this thread

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    The Bible is a symbolic book, it's study is to decipher the meaning and intentions of the scripture. You will struggle if you take the Bible literally. Some parts, you do have to apply logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Yeah but this is an excuse factory that keeps on giving.
    It was not an "excuse" of any kind. The full range of facts only partially supports your narrative, and refutes some of it.

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    And with a whole lotta folks who want so badly to believe the sinners.
    I do not even know who "the sinners" are supposed to be. My religion does not use that kind of language in ordinary discourse.

    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Just look at the Child rapists in the Catholic church and how each diocese simply moved the offenders around which resulted in even more victimization. What other entity could have gotten away with that? It's the single best way to not only absolve guilt but avoid detection/punishment.
    How does this support your narrative - or, more importantly, relate at all to the partial refutation?

    The commission of atrocities is the fault of people, not the institutions we create. The world John Lennon "imagined" would have everyone be a blade of grass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    An episode of Soap had a character opine that "there's more to sex than love." That was a great series.
    Woody Allen: "Sex is dirty only if it's done right."

    I am fond of that quote!
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