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    How can you be logical and religious?

    I have a very serious question. First off, I know what you're thinking, that I'm about to slam religion as I always do. Hopefully this thread doesn't sink to that.

    How can logic and faith coexist? Can they coexist?
    I'm a very cynical person, have been my entire life. I hear stories told by those of faith, read the Bible...and the results are always the same. Logic stands in the way. I simply can't get past the logic that is always lacking in Bible stories. Noah simply couldn't have done what is claimed. Crucified people don't return from the dead. Burning bushes can't talk...and on and on and on.
    Then there is my belief that those of faith believe in these things simply because of a fear of death...they cling to the desire for there to be more to our existence than what we have in our lifetime. This is what my common sense and logic tell me is true. I cling to that belief as strongly as those of faith cling to their belief.
    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I have a very serious question. First off, I know what you're thinking, that I'm about to slam religion as I always do. Hopefully this thread doesn't sink to that.

    How can logic and faith coexist? Can they coexist?
    Actually, logic starts from statements that are true without proof. So, not only can they coexist, it is necessary.

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    I'm a very cynical person, have been my entire life. I hear stories told by those of faith, read the Bible...and the results are always the same. Logic stands in the way. I simply can't get past the logic that is always lacking in Bible stories. Noah simply couldn't have done what is claimed. Crucified people don't return from the dead. Burning bushes can't talk...and on and on and on.
    Then perhaps you need to find your spirituality in something else other than the bible. I'm not a religious person myself.

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    Then there is my belief that those of faith believe in these things simply because of a fear of death...they cling to the desire for there to be more to our existence than what we have in our lifetime. This is what my common sense and logic tell me is true. I cling to that belief as strongly as those of faith cling to their belief.
    But that is not faith. It isn't even ethics.

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    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
    Very much so. John hobbes formulate his political theory out of an enduring faith and his political theory formed the basis of that secular government that you believe in.
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    The fact that they get them so young explains it all. If you are taught from very young age, when you age this information becomes secondary to logic. The mind has been warped.

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    Interesting question. In my opinion, Religion is a subjective term. I can have faith in God and believe in God while embracing logic. The problem may occur when beliefs are taken to extremes. I read the Bible everyday to keep contact with my faith, but I do not follow it lock stock and barrel. I cannot speak for others but as a catholic ,I use it as a guide more than a rule book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I have a very serious question. First off, I know what you're thinking, that I'm about to slam religion as I always do. Hopefully this thread doesn't sink to that.

    How can logic and faith coexist? Can they coexist?
    I'm a very cynical person, have been my entire life. I hear stories told by those of faith, read the Bible...and the results are always the same. Logic stands in the way. I simply can't get past the logic that is always lacking in Bible stories. Noah simply couldn't have done what is claimed. Crucified people don't return from the dead. Burning bushes can't talk...and on and on and on.
    Then there is my belief that those of faith believe in these things simply because of a fear of death...they cling to the desire for there to be more to our existence than what we have in our lifetime. This is what my common sense and logic tell me is true. I cling to that belief as strongly as those of faith cling to their belief.
    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
    My personal belief not backed up by actual facts is you have genetics that allows you to ignore your logic. This allowed humans to cope with their higher intelligence. This is why there is a lot of people who are very smart yet follow a religion, and why there are others that can't even fathom how the heck anybody can believe., and never believed, even when religion was taught to them growing up

    Because all in all, to believe in a religion, and I stress "religion" vs belief in a god, you have to ignore all logic. Nothing at all logical about believing unproven stories passed down by ancient men as being the word of god, without any shred of proof or evidence. considering how much contradictions are in there, or the fact you think god could have sent his word all over the world and not just one small region of the world, then expect other man to believe what these people said. An entire thesis could be written on this, I'm just supplying a small synopsis of what is illogical about religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I have a very serious question. First off, I know what you're thinking, that I'm about to slam religion as I always do. Hopefully this thread doesn't sink to that.

    How can logic and faith coexist? Can they coexist?
    I'm a very cynical person, have been my entire life. I hear stories told by those of faith, read the Bible...and the results are always the same. Logic stands in the way. I simply can't get past the logic that is always lacking in Bible stories. Noah simply couldn't have done what is claimed. Crucified people don't return from the dead. Burning bushes can't talk...and on and on and on.
    Then there is my belief that those of faith believe in these things simply because of a fear of death...they cling to the desire for there to be more to our existence than what we have in our lifetime. This is what my common sense and logic tell me is true. I cling to that belief as strongly as those of faith cling to their belief.
    Can a very logical person be very religious, and how did they get to that point?
    I think the key, for intelligent religious people, is compartmentalization. At a very deep level they recognize that their faith is silly, and that deeper part of their mind arranges their thought processes so that their faith is only given free rein within certain bounds. That way, they can be logical, insightful, informed, etc., in nearly all areas of their lives and professions, while still cherishing their faith. It's a kind of Doublethink. It's not particularly problematic, from society's perspective, since for most purposes, people who have mastered such compartmentalization function just fine, mentally, despite being religious. In theory, we lose a bit of their processing ability, since they waste time and energy on their religion, and on holding it in check, but as a practical matter it makes very little difference. The ones who are the problems are those who haven't mastered compartmentalization, and allow their religious beliefs to infect their thinking beyond the limited bounds that are compatible with modern civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Very much so. John hobbes formulate his political theory out of an enduring faith and his political theory formed the basis of that secular government that you believe in.
    You appear to be conflating John Locke and Thomas Hobbes. Do I correctly presume you meant Locke?
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    There’s only a contradiction if you state your faith as a fact. Confusing the two things.

    Since hundreds of millions of good, honest hard-working, logical people don’t do that - it seems kind of disengenuous to me to shit all over them if there’s someone else running around who does.

    Ask how people can give money to Southern US hateful spittle-mouthed TV preacher con-men and be logical. Leave the lady at my church who’s faith drives her to spend 8 hours a week volunteering to organize complicated Syrian refugee sponsorships out of it.

    My mom lives in a safe, clean housing complex for low income pensioners which is built and maintained by a United Church congregation with about 200 people in it busting a gut to keep things afloat.


    Im sorry some douchebag, dickhead with the same religion in Alabama or Arkansas or South Kentucky fried whatever something the fuck hates gay people, steals money, ruins school boards and fiddles little kids - but seriously no one else in the world deserves any shit over it.

    Every politician and celebrity in the Ststes looks like a total asshole. So if Christians in the States in news and on tv are total assholes, that’s probably just about who gets airtime and attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The fact that they get them so young explains it all.
    That's because parental obligation starts from the beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    If you are taught from very young age, when you age this information becomes secondary to logic. The mind has been warped.
    If warping the child's mind is the intention here, why bother giving the child an education?

    You might not be aware of the convention on the rights of children (since the us does not deign sign it) but being made aware of his or her cultural identity is an inalienable right of a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You appear to be conflating John Locke and Thomas Hobbes. Do I correctly presume you meant Locke?
    Yes. You are correct. I meant john locke.

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