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About LinkBacksYou are rambling and not making sense.Originally Posted by kmiller1610
What do you base this hypothesis on?Do you really think that God has to play by the rules of logic?
You are rambling and not making sense.
What do you base this hypothesis on?Do you really think that God has to play by the rules of logic?
Is it not amazing how many try to place God in a box, all neat and wrapped up by physical laws that apply only to this physical plane of reality? When the facts are that God exists outside this physical plane of reality and has eternally existed and will eternally continue to exist even when this "measured" existence of reality has expired its energy that brings life to it. The only thing that man can know about God is what He has decided to reveal to us. Thus our understanding can be summed up in one sentence in relation to what we know. "The secret things are God's, the revealed things are ours." (Deut. 29:29)
Limited perceptions can and do lead to misinterpretations. There is an example of such offered in a simple demonstration of "individual" interpretation. Consider the fable told in India about the blind men and the elephant.
Six men (all blind) of Indostan were inclined to learn about an Elephant, by physically examining one to satisfy their minds eye. The first man approached the elephant and happened to fall against its side, and then began to exclaim that the elephant is very much like a wall. The second feeling the tusk said, "What we have here is so very round and smooth and sharp?" To me its clear, the elephant is much like a spear. The third approached the animal and happened to take the trunk of the elephant into his hands and concluded that the animal was made just like a snake. The fourth reached out a hand and felt above the animals knee on its leg and declared that the elephant is very like a tree. The fifth, happened to touch an ear, and thought that the elephant resembled a fan. The sixth found the animals tail and said, the elephant is just like a rope.
And the moral of the story is that each man became set in his mind has to what an elephant was because they had actually physically encountered it. And thus the argument begins, each right in their minds as to what an elephant really is based upon individual interpretations.
The poem ends as such. And so these men of Indostan disputed loud and long, Each in his own opinion Exceedingly stiff and strong, Through each was partly in the right, YET ALL WERE IN THE WRONG.
Oversimplification was applied in describing the elephant, it can also be applied to our frail and feeble efforts to understand the true and living God.
What do I mean by oversimplification? To simplify to the point of causing misrepresentation, misconception, or even outright error. To cause distortion or error by extreme simplification on a subject. Just like the one liner that started this thread. Trying to simply place physical measurement upon the creator of that instrument by which one is trying to use as an example of IMPOSSIBLE. Actually what is impossible is the idea that the product of God's creation can be greater than He that gestated that creation and thus is subject to being defined within the context of that physical plane. In other words just because one does not have the ability to comprehend something, does not make it IMPOSSIBLE. (R)
Please tell me how you know god exists outside of reality.
What facts?When the facts are that God exists outside this physical plane of reality and has eternally existed and will eternally continue to exist even when this "measured" existence of reality has expired its energy that brings life to it.
This is gibberish.The only thing that man can know about God is what He has decided to reveal to us. Thus our understanding can be summed up in one sentence in relation to what we know. "The secret things are God's, the revealed things are ours." (Deut. 29:29)
You are being presumption by claiming what god is and is not.Oversimplification was applied in describing the elephant, it can also be applied to our frail and feeble efforts to understand the true and living God.
But yet, after all the scripture quoters, no one can prove that this god exists or how it came into existence.
It is just a belief, nothing more. Please don't explain everything away by saying, well, god created it; BUT THEN SAY, god didn't create Satan and god didn't create death and destruction. You can't pick and choose and have it both ways. Everything, including evil, is either god's will and created by god OR nothing at all is.
That is why it is called Faith. I like Freedom 90 better.
I know I am being dork, but a belief in god requires faith; an unsubstantiated claim.
who said God needed to be created?
Can you prove god? Can you provide evidence that god is eternal?
Here is the fallacy with that logic: Once you accept that the rules of logic and physics don't apply then one can postulate creation arguments endlessly. EACH of these creation fables will be as valid as the argument that "God" created the universe and thus there is no basis for concluding that "God" created anything (other than personal preference). Under your rules, I may choose to believe that Maritxu, Sparta and Frecks created the universe to give us something to talk about (on PH) that would be as valid as the argument that "God" did so.
The secondary flaw in this argument is that in the theory of the creation of the Universe "God" is being presented as an alternative SCIENTIFIC theory- which it's not. It is, at best a system of religious beliefs (no better and no worse than anyone else's) and at worst it is a comforting fairytale which allows some people to deal with the daunting idea of being very small and insignificant in a universe governed by random acts.
Random acts. So John, tell us how you think the universe was created?
I don't have a definitive theory. I lean towards it being a a natural series of random events.
