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    [quote name='Mr. Knight' date='18 January 2010 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1263825754' post='100973']

    Its like when people say they would never steal. If you were starving....I mean REALLY starving, and you saw a hamburger, just sitting there, of course you are going to grab it. It all depends on needs and causes......We are all far more close to "bad" behavior than we realize.



    That doesn't always make us "bad" people, maybe fucked up, but not evil.

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    Even "fucked up" is a human perception, and the universe doesn't really care what we do. I find more comfort in the knowledge of the universe and our existence because it puts all the castigation here on Earth in perspective. Our whole existence is far less than a millisecond in space time. A small, dim spark, but maybe not even that. That scares some people. I find it comforting. And this is something that can be observed, without a need for a leap of faith.

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    [quote name='Bluegrass' date='18 January 2010 - 09:55 AM' timestamp='1263826531' post='100978']

    Even "fucked up" is a human perception, and the universe doesn't really care what we do. I find more comfort in the knowledge of the universe and our existence because it puts all the castigation here on Earth in perspective. Our whole existence is far less than a millisecond in space time. A small, dim spark, but maybe not even that. That scares some people. I find it comforting. And this is something that can be observed, without a need for a leap of faith.

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    Absolutely. People place value on homes and cars and money when none of it makes a bit of difference......we are so insignificant its not even something we can understand.

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    [quote name='Mr. Knight' date='18 January 2010 - 09:59 AM' timestamp='1263826791' post='100979']

    Absolutely. People place value on homes and cars and money when none of it makes a bit of difference......we are so insignificant its not even something we can understand.[/quote]

    It's a matter of perspective. When I look at homes and cars, I'm not looking at it from the perspective of the universe, because that's not my perspective. I'm a human being; my lifespan is unlikely to exceed a hundred of our years, and from that perspective, cars and money have a greater value.

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    [quote name='Djinn' date='18 January 2010 - 10:23 AM' timestamp='1263828180' post='100987']

    It's a matter of perspective. When I look at homes and cars, I'm not looking at it from the perspective of the universe, because that's not my perspective. I'm a human being; my lifespan is unlikely to exceed a hundred of our years, and from that perspective, cars and money have a greater value.

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    I'm a human being too.



    Thats what they told me, anyway.

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    [quote name='Mr. Knight' date='18 January 2010 - 10:26 AM' timestamp='1263828418' post='100990']

    I'm a human being too.



    Thats what they told me, anyway.

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    That was just to make you feel better.




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    [quote name='Djinn' date='18 January 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1263828621' post='100995']

    That was just to make you feel better.





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    Probably. It didn't work.

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    [quote name='Djinn' date='18 January 2010 - 10:23 AM' timestamp='1263828180' post='100987']

    It's a matter of perspective. When I look at homes and cars, I'm not looking at it from the perspective of the universe, because that's not my perspective. I'm a human being; my lifespan is unlikely to exceed a hundred of our years, and from that perspective, cars and money have a greater value.

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    I see what you are saying, but getting caught up in the immediate perspective can warp our overall observation of reality. More clarity can arise by transcending that immediate perspective, and observe the whole. It's very Eastern thought, but it's something I can see, with evidence. It does not require a leap of faith, nor any perception changing chemical, or anything else. Just observation of what is.

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    Clarity is relative, of course. You can't go into a personal moment with a galactic perspective and expect to succeed. You'll probably take people's feelings for granted and end up being a bit of an asshole, and missing some of the time. Balance is required. You do need to contemplate the infinite, but you also need to immerse yourself in the moment. After all, it is the moments that actually define our existance, give our lives meaning and value. Perception equals life and value. Without our perspective, our perception of events and of each other, the universe is pointless. In fact, if a tree falls in the forest, but there is no one there to hear it, is there really a forest at all?

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    [quote name='splansing' date='19 January 2010 - 03:31 PM' timestamp='1263933076' post='101571']

    Clarity is relative, of course. You can't go into a personal moment with a galactic perspective and expect to succeed. ... [/quote]

    Well put. Though it would have made for an interesting debate with the wife about why I failed to start the dishwasher.

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    Bluegrass and I have debated this before, we don't agree lol (But I still respect his opinion). I do believe evil exists. I don't believe people are born evil, but life circumstances can turn what would be a normal healthy child into a person capable of conducting evil acts.



    I've seen it.

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