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    [quote name='Gypsy' date='19 January 2010 - 05:44 PM' timestamp='1263941053' post='101652']

    Bluegrass and I have debated this before, we don't agree lol (But I still respect his opinion). I do believe evil exists. I don't believe people are born evil, but life circumstances can turn what would be a normal healthy child into a person capable of conducting evil acts.



    I've seen it.

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    So have I.







    Just joshin' you. I respect your opinion too.

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    This should be in philosophy.

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    [quote name='Zaragrunudgeyon' date='20 January 2010 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1263966827' post='101907']

    This should be in philosophy.

    [/quote]Then again, as soon as you start to apply your brain to religious concepts, it starts to sound like philosophy. I'm not sure I agree with even trying to separate the two. Philosophy, after all, is simply a catch-all for spiritual, moral and ethical questions for people who eschew a proper religion.



    That's it! My new church! The First Church of Philosophy. Put an end to this horseshit discrimination of agnostics once and for all, and maybe eventually learn how to abuse our tax-free status and organize the vote from the pulpit...which we'll need a different name for, of course. Maybe just a lecturn.

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    Yeah, I'm bumping one I started long ago. I'll kick my ass again, if i catch me again. I'm sort of hard to catch though...
    I still think the topic is interesting, and again, new people that haven't spoken on this topic. So, does evil actually exist? I say no it doesn't, not as a separate force like many believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Knight View Post
    I am bringing back an old topic I posted on the old forum, because we have new people, and I like the subject.



    Everything in bold is what I originally posted. I'm plagiarizing myself.......I'll kick my own ass later, when I catch me.





    To most people, the word evil is considered a term used to describe people like Hitler, Charles Manson, Ed Gein and George Bush. In other words, people who fall somewhat outside of the accepted norm by committing the violent acts that made them famous. These acts are called evil.



    By using the word evil in this way, the above mentioned people can be separated from the "good" people. They call these people, and their acts, evil, distancing themselves from the rogue creatures who do these terrible acts.



    In this way, they almost consider these newly deemed "evil" people as led by forces unseen. An average human being cannot commit these crimes, so therefore these people are walking on the dark side. What people fail to realize is that these people, who they damn as evil, are the same as anyone else, with one slight difference: Something, maybe a delusional mind, or a desperate need, either real or imagined, is driving them to the acts they later are considered evil for.



    Evil, as an unseen force, does not really exist. Evil is simply a word that we tend to hang on acts we don't want to admit that we too could be guilty of, if the conditions were right.



    The word is used far too often to describe a plethora of acts that anyone could possibly carry out, if there was a need. It is a way of pretending, in a way, that we are above these evil people, and they simply are going to Hell, while we, the normal people, are Heaven bound.



    The truth is, we are the same as these "bad" people. We may be worse, in some ways, because through history we have failed to recognize the true source of some of these peoples true problems. How many people have been put to death for simply having a mental disorder? The Salem witch trials come to mind. How many innocent women were accused of practicing witchcraft and burned at the stake? How terrible it must have been for these women to ponder their fate and be walked to their final punishment. And remember, the people that lit the fires were Christians.



    In that situation, the "good" people turned out to be "evil".



    Evil is simply a concept, used by people to deny some aspects of human behavior.



    Simple as that.



    So.....does evil really exist?
    No, at least not in the metaphysical sense.

    Evil is merely a corrupted good. Unlike the idea of good, evil cannot be defined except in relation to good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Evil is merely a corrupted good.
    Yeah, and a villain is just a corrupted good person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by font View Post
    Yeah, and a villain is just a corrupted good person.
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Correct.
    That's crap. Sociopaths, for instance, are not,, and never were "good" people. First of all, "good", and 'evil" are social constructs, and have no value beyond what we give them. Whenever I am talking about behaviour, I prefer to talk about "healthy", and "unhealthy". What promotes a healthy self-image, and healthy social interactions, and what promotes unhealthy interactions. This way, any, and all social judgement is removed from the equation.

    And sociopaths were never healthy. There was no point at which a sociopath was "healthy", or "good", and they just ...lost their way. Antisocial Personality Disorder is just that - a personality disorder. It is hard-wired into their core personality. This is the common denominator with all personality disorders. There is no pill you can take. There is no therapy you can employ. Personality disorders can't be fixed. They are simply hard-wired into the core programming of a person.

    The best you can do is recognise them. Help the person who suffers from them recognise them - and, by the way, that's the tricky part. People with personality disorders are absolutely convinced they're just fine. There is nothing wrong with them. It's the rest of the world that's fucked up. And once you have finally convinced them there is a problem, you teach them some coping skills. That's how you "fix" personality disorders - you find workarounds to get around the bad wiring.

    So, whenever anyone tells you that no one is "born bad/evil/unhealthy" that just means that they have never had the misfortune of meeting a sociopath. Because once they have, they understand that sociopaths, really are born that way.

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    People who commit acts of evil, don't believe they are doing anything wrong. 100% of the time, they believe that the situation called for drastic measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    That's crap. Sociopaths, for instance, are not,, and never were "good" people. First of all, "good", and 'evil" are social constructs, and have no value beyond what we give them. Whenever I am talking about behaviour, I prefer to talk about "healthy", and "unhealthy". What promotes a healthy self-image, and healthy social interactions, and what promotes unhealthy interactions. This way, any, and all social judgement is removed from the equation.

    And sociopaths were never healthy. There was no point at which a sociopath was "healthy", or "good", and they just ...lost their way. Antisocial Personality Disorder is just that - a personality disorder. It is hard-wired into their core personality. This is the common denominator with all personality disorders. There is no pill you can take. There is no therapy you can employ. Personality disorders can't be fixed. They are simply hard-wired into the core programming of a person.

    The best you can do is recognise them. Help the person who suffers from them recognise them - and, by the way, that's the tricky part. People with personality disorders are absolutely convinced they're just fine. There is nothing wrong with them. It's the rest of the world that's fucked up. And once you have finally convinced them there is a problem, you teach them some coping skills. That's how you "fix" personality disorders - you find workarounds to get around the bad wiring.

    So, whenever anyone tells you that no one is "born bad/evil/unhealthy" that just means that they have never had the misfortune of meeting a sociopath. Because once they have, they understand that sociopaths, really are born that way.
    So, sociopaths are incapable of doing something that is inherently good, even something that is inherently good for himself? You are seriously misunderstanding what you say.

    Furthermore, there is no moral judgment for people who cannot exercise free will. Moral judgment ALWAYS presupposes free will so that one can only be judged inasmuch as a choice could be freely exercised.

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