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Thread: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

  1. #1
    Conservationist

    What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    It seems to me the terms are confused, so I offer some definitions.

    Nationalism: the knowledge that without a unifying culture composed of values, language, customs and heritage, a nation becomes unified by political policy and manipulated by the memes of advertising, politicians, marketers and so on. Nationalists recognize that pluralism and multiculturalism not only have failed historically, but inherently Do Not Work.

    Racism: the belief that without a unifying culture, nations should be composed of mixed races, and that some should be dubbed superior and some inferior.

    Maybe that will spur some thought.

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    Latherty

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservationist View Post
    It seems to me the terms are confused, so I offer some definitions.

    Nationalism: the knowledge that without a unifying culture composed of values, language, customs and heritage, a nation becomes unified by political policy and manipulated by the memes of advertising, politicians, marketers and so on. Nationalists recognize that pluralism and multiculturalism not only have failed historically, but inherently Do Not Work.

    Racism: the belief that without a unifying culture, nations should be composed of mixed races, and that some should be dubbed superior and some inferior.

    Maybe that will spur some thought.
    The use of the term "knowledge" in your definition of Nationalism is a bit strange....

    Anywhoo, Nationalism is a political movement of racists who are too chickenshit to admit they are racists in public so try to use a fig-leaf of cultural preservation to cover it up.

    Culture is not fixed and whatever you might think of an existing culture, it is made up of a myraid of subcultures that have joined together or dispersed over history, and this process will continue forever. There were, for instance, thousands of languages spoken in Great Britain in the middle ages.

    So getting all pent-up about protecting a culture from people that live within the society is bunk and just a poor excuse to try and expel the "darkies" for no other reason than racism.

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    res

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    I agree with what Latherty wrote and would just like to add that it doesn't necessarily have to be about the "darkies".
    You have many examples, like Serbs and Croats. Both called themselves nationalists but we're calling for extermination of the the other (both are Slavic tribes) on the grounds of them being a lower race. Or Japanese in WWII. They considered all Asian peoples their inferiors (racially) but were called the "Japenese nationalists".
    To use a metaphor of one of our local politicans which he used when asked a quesion like this:"There is no such thing as a vegetarian crocodile."

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    Desidude666

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Nationalism is collective - racism is individualistic.

    When someone's nationalistic - he is not for one, but for a tribe. When someone's a racist, he is for himself, his understanding of what should and shouldn't be.

    I don't think anyone with any understanding about the terms should compare them both. You cannot be a racist if you're nationalistic because you sell your similarity of a shared tribe not your differences. Racism sells differences over similarities.

  5. #5
    res

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Desidude in theory I think you're right but in practise it's one and the same thing.
    The civil war in former Yugoslavia started as an "awakening" of the nationalist pride of Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Albanians living in SFRJ. They were all starting out from same positions, national pride, tribal connections, etc. and ended up in plain out, straight in your face racism.
    Now you can argue that too much of the former produces the latter or not, I don't know but I know what nationalism is capable of. It is just as same as racism no matter how you water it down.

    Also, how would you describe Adolf Hitler and his movement? I think they were called German nationalists. But were they just that?

  6. #6
    Desidude666

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    I knew you'd relate Nazis and the 3rd Reich with nationalism - racism comparison. But there is a difference, Nazis indoctrinated racism as one of the core issues that implied nationalism. They started nationalism with racism. Not nationalism that started racism.

    A lot of people have some misunderstandings with Nazism - that it was racist. It wasn't because Jews aren't a race, they weren't a race even then, it was a religious order, just like Hindus, who were persecuted by Muslims but are not a race. Like Christians, they weren't a race, the concept of the original Jews, or the original Hindus was lost in the industrial age, even the most orthodox Jews might have had non-Jewish origins. So the persecution was more religious as the First Testament was condemned. Since the time of Christian evangelism, conversion was a known concept. People would convert to Judaism by changing their names, undergoing circumcism (a core requirement of the religion) and so on.

    Nazism, started with anti-religious sentiments, and it morphed into nationalism. In the most purest contexts, nationalism is marxism, purest form of marxism. Equality to the core, and if you agree to that, then where does racism come in from?

    There is a difference in nationalism, racism, racism (more religious than race!) induced nationalism and nationalism ending with racialism (which is a flawed perception). As such, the Albanians were third in the category. The Serbs, the final one. But the context of retaliation or in simple words; the reason for racism is always racism. But Communism isn't marxism, it's a perverted version of true marxism, which I think is a fairytale since hierarchies is what makes the world move. From insects to animals, it's natural.

    I agree with you that the comparison between the two can often be mistaken but once you comprehend the true difference between the two, identifying and application becomes much easier.

    By race, I mean Caucasian, Oriental Asian, East Asian, East European, Indians etc. By religious classification I mean, Jews, Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc. So we have to understand that religion never implied a race. An Asian as early as the early 1800s could convert to Judaism or Christianity, what race would he then be?

  7. #7
    res

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Nazis also persecuted and killed over a million Roma civilians.

    Theoretically you may be right but in practise there's no difference between the two. In both you need to show "credentials" that qualify you as a member of this or that group. The essential philosphy of both nationalism and racism is we're special and better than others because...
    What is Jean Mari LePen? Jorg Heider? Henry Petten? Vojislav Seselj? Vladimir Zhirinovski? Also, why are muslims(Algerians, Morrocans and such) mostly citizens of 2nd order in France? Are the French nationalists or racists?

    We can both argue about this for another x pages but to me this is what it comes down to:
    I have experienced first hand how destructive nationalism is. It doesn't matter who is rooting for it or for what purpose, it ends up in violence. Nationalism is exclusive, manipulative and carries with itself the cult of the leader, the same traits I have noticed in racism.
    I don't care what is the theoretical explanation of it. I know what it's practical use is. And by the way there's a huge difference between one's love for his country and one's love of his people. Both can kill you but the first one doesn't imply listening to someone else when deciding what to do.

    This is just my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right.

  8. #8
    janielou

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Great Post, Conservationist. Nationalism has been coined by the globalist for years as being a dirty word. Another word they frown on is protectionist, they have been using the MSM for 30 years to convince folks that americans, can compete with .40/hr, unregulated labor. Which is impossible.

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    Goldwater

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Nationalism is loyalty and devotion to a nation especially a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.

    Racism is a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

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    Sparta

    Re: What's the difference between "Nationalism" and "Racism"?

    Seems to me that both practice a theory of exclusion based on the same criteria, the rest is semantics.

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