Thread: Do think we should teach facts in elementary school ?

Originally Posted by Loki

The Abrahamic religions foster ignorance, I forgot oblivious, tea party = the lunatic fringe?
OWS want accountability.
Please say you are stinking rich
because if you are not I ask WHAT DO THEY OFFER YOU - THEOCRACY ?

Bassman is a truck driver.

Originally Posted by Kropotkin

Bassman is a truck driver.

An honorable profession, capitalism at its best.
I really do agree with the logic classes, if only to teach rational skills. The education The USA is offering up north of Virginia could use a lot of improvement. I have no Idea what they teach in the bible belt but the shite I see from their politicians means something is seriously wrong down there. My father was British so I have dual citizenship,I am not looking forward to visiting my family over there and being asked what the hell is going on in our politics, it is childish if you want my opinion.

Originally Posted by Loki

An honorable profession, capitalism at its best.
I really do agree with the logic classes, if only to teach rational skills. The education The USA is offering up north of Virginia could use a lot of improvement. I have no Idea what they teach in the bible belt but the shite I see from their politicians means something is seriously wrong down there. My father was British so I have dual citizenship,I am not looking forward to visiting my family over there and being asked what the hell is going on in our politics, it is childish if you want my opinion.

Critical thinking should be mandatory.

Also, our political system is indeed a joke. A sad, stupid joke.

Originally Posted by LokiGragg

Critical thinking should be mandatory.

Also, our political system is indeed a joke. A sad, stupid joke.

I really only became enraged when Palin began speaking and a people cheered her on, perhaps I was oblivious before.
That election was about homosexuals and now the lines are divided on belief in a deity.
What the hell is going on , we are in a long standing recession and all they can speak about is religion ?
I think the nation as a whole is dumbing down and these total, I mean total idiots are ranting about religion.

RICK SANTORIUM WAS A CONTENDER - total idiot, congratulations on your rape, now you have a beautiful baby - Insanity, worse people cheered him ???????????????????

Originally Posted by Loki

I really only became enraged when Palin began speaking and a people cheered her on, perhaps I was oblivious before.
That election was about homosexuals and now the lines are divided on belief in a deity.
What the hell is going on , we are in a long standing recession and all they can speak about is religion ?
I think the nation as a whole is dumbing down and these total, I mean total idiots are ranting about religion.

I don't want you to become depressed so I won't tell you how many people in this country believe the earth and universe are 6000 years old.

Originally Posted by LokiGragg

I don't want you to become depressed so I won't tell you how many people in this country believe the earth and universe are 6000 years old.

Obama is getting my vote since he is the only one not talking about religion, but is talking rationally, do I agree with everything, not by a long shot but I am thinking he is sane at least.

Originally Posted by Loki

Okay , perhaps should have included middle school also, But I do want to touch on history, factual history.
The books I was taught from said Columbus discovered the Americas, Really it should read native people lived in the Americas, you can touch on Aztecs Mayans Indians , Africans, then on so and so date, the Europeans, landed on the shore and spread disease.
You see where I am going with this , You can add in the known religious practices if known to these natives.

I understand what you are saying. History is presented by the people who write it. But how else could anyone write history? It is inevitable. And a mere collection of facts strung together chronologically is meaningless.

What is needed for students of history is to develop critical thought in analyzing events from the past.

Originally Posted by Loki

I find it disturbing that Christians want a 10, 000 yr old earth , and even if they do not, they totally ignore previous cultures and religions before the old testament was even thought of and refuse to acknowledge.

I have never met a christian who would propose such an ignorant thing. Maybe you have met an american who proposed such a thing. You ought to rephrase your statement:

I find it disturbing that americans want a 10,000 yr old earth.....

Originally Posted by kingrat

I understand what you are saying. History is presented by the people who write it. But how else could anyone write history? It is inevitable. And a mere collection of facts strung together chronologically is meaningless

I agree, But the history books are being rewritten by new authors as more information becomes available.

Originally Posted by kingrat

What is needed for students of history is to develop critical thought in analyzing events from the past

I agree, accepting new information is important - much like understanding rain or tornadoes, we have better tools to decipher how intricate systems function.

Originally Posted by kingrat

I have never met a christian who would propose such an ignorant thing

You are teasing me here.

Originally Posted by kingrat

Maybe you have met an american who proposed such a thing. You ought to rephrase your statement:

I find it disturbing that americans want a 10,000 yr old earth.....

No, I think it is very important to use proper wordage, speaking in vague terms leads to huge communication difficulties.

Originally Posted by Loki

You are teasing me here.

No. That is a fact. I have never met a christian who thinks the world is only 10,000 years old. I met some mountain folk (during the conduct of a feasibility study) who told me something to this effect but he was not a christian, to the best of my knowledge.

Originally Posted by Loki

No, I think it is very important to use proper wordage, speaking in vague terms leads to huge communication difficulties.

But your statement is entirely misleading. I have never met a christian who thinks the world is only 10,000 years old. Nor is such a preposterous idea ever, to my knowledge, been proposed in any science curriculum in any school in my country.

But you say they do in the us.

Perhaps, this delusion afflicts americans, not christians.

Originally Posted by kingrat

No. That is a fact. I have never met a christian who thinks the world is only 10,000 years old. I met some mountain folk (during the conduct of a feasibility study) who told me something to this effect but he was not a christian, to the best of my knowledge.



But your statement is entirely misleading. I have never met a christian who thinks the world is only 10,000 years old. Nor is such a preposterous idea ever, to my knowledge, been proposed in any science curriculum in any school in my country.

But you say they do in the us.

Perhaps, this delusion afflicts americans, not christians.

http://www.tim-thompson.com/young-earth.html

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief[1] that the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago.[2] Its primary adherents are Christians and Jews[3] who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.[4][5]