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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Okay, so following your logic, the fact that the Vatican has decried the fiscal austerity being practiced in some countries like Greece because it hurts the poor, and actually creates more poor people, then if you like the idea of austerity, then your being oxymoronic and duped because the Church is against austerity. I'm jus' sayin'..........
    Here is an easy Yes or No question. Does the Pope believe in abortion? If he doesn't then why would all Catholics vote for it by supporting the Democrat party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Here is an easy Yes or No question. Does the Pope believe in abortion? If he doesn't then why would all Catholics vote for it by supporting the Democrat party?
    The Pope recently spoke out against capitalism too. I guess that rules out both major parties. You get the whole package, dude, you can't pick and choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Promises by Obama that he will make an easy road to citizenship. Drivers licenses without being a citizen. All the percs citizens get like food stamps, health care, housing, schools, medical and dental care. ect.
    I understand the lies you say they are being told. But you're saying that Hispanics are all being duped to vote Democratic. Whites don't seem to have that problem. I'm wondering why in your opinion Hispanics are more easily duped than whites as you say they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lka View Post
    How do they support the family? The duggars own rentals right?
    Don't know about rentals, but they DO have a TV show that pays them millions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No religious rights have been "derailed," and no such attempt has been made. There is no right to use government to advance a religious agenda.

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    Abortion in the bible...

    ...The Bible never specifically mentions abortion. This is significant, because herbal abortifacients--most notably pennyroyal and silphium--were in common use at the time that the New Testament was written. Jesus, Paul, and the other major figures of the New Testament were surrounded by cultures that practiced abortion, but no specific condemnation of the practice can be found in the Bible.

    Likewise, Exodus 21 draws a clear demarcation between the killing of a person and the killing of a fetus. Exodus 21:12, for example, reads:
    Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death. If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God, then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee.
    But Exodus 21:22 reads:
    When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.
    In other words: Killing a person outside of the womb warrants the death penalty or exile, but killing a fetus is punishable only by a fine--and that's in a circumstance where the killing of a fetus takes place against the woman's will. Exodus describes no penalty of any kind for women who choose to terminate their own pregnancies, nor does any other passage in the Bible.

    ...So the Bible's position on abortion, like its position on so many other issues, can be described as extremely ambiguous. It treats the death of a fetus as a non-homicide and makes no attempt to punish women who have abortions, nor does it mention the widely-practiced abortion that was contemporaneous to the period during which the relevant texts were written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    But the percentage of Americans who identify themselves as religious has been dropping - at increasing rates - over the past few decades.

    At this rate, we should be seeing news of multiple religious-school closures any day now, due primarily to drops in enrollment.

    And when's the last time you looked up statistics regarding church attendance?
    Protestants are losing big numbers...

    Sometime last year, the US quietly passed a milestone demographers had long been predicting: for the first time in its history, this country is no longer majority Protestant. Fewer than 50 percent of Americans now identify as Protestant Christians of any denomination.

    This change has come on surprisingly recently, and from a historical perspective, with breathtaking speed. As recently as 1993, almost two-thirds of Americans identified as Protestants, a number that had remained stable for the several preceding decades. But sometime in the 1990s, the ground started to shift, and it's been sliding ever since. Whether it's the "mainline" Protestant denominations like Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans or Presbyterians, or the independent evangelical, charismatic and fundamentalist sects, the decline is happening across the board. The rise of so-called megachurches, like Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in California or Mark Driscoll's Mars Hill in Seattle, represents not growth, but consolidation.

    What's happening to these vanishing Protestants? For the most part, they're not converting to any other religion, but rather are walking away from religion entirely. They're becoming " nones," as the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life puts it. It seems likely that this is the same secularizing trend being observed in Europe, as people of advanced, peaceful democracies find religion increasingly irrelevant to their daily lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    The Pope recently spoke out against capitalism too. I guess that rules out both major parties. You get the whole package, dude, you can't pick and choose.
    Now I got to reject free enterprise to be in line with the Pope. That's unAmerican

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Pushing the parties atheist views. Latinos are mostly Catholic. They will flee in droves. Keep it up
    WHAT "atheist views"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    They aren't listening to the Pope then. He's against abortion.
    You understand, don't you, that abortion is not the only issue on the minds of voters, right?
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