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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    We have a single payer plan in the US it is called the VA. We see how well that has worked

    307,000 vets died while waiting for care. yes lets bring this level of healthcare to EVERYONE.
    The VA healthcare system is, despite your ignorance, Congressional refusal to fully fund the VA, and the bureaucrats appointed by Republicans, still the best health care out there. Get off your ass and learn the truth.

    Washington Monthly | VA Care: Still the Best Care Anywhere?

    Oh. Keep parroting your co-ignoramus Trump.

    Trump says 300,000 veterans died waiting VA care | PolitiFact Virginia

    The agency’s enrollment database was started in 1998 and includes pending files on veterans who died before that year, although the report does not say how many. The inspector general found, for example, that one veteran who died in 1988 still was listed with a pending VA application in 2014.

    Adding to the complication is that in 2013, the agency added into the entry center’s database "millions" of records from other arms of the VA. Many of these records ended up in the pending file, according to the report, but software glitches made it impossible for investigators to determine how many of the records pertained to veterans seeking health services.

    You have to remember that the VA provides many services, including home loans and disability payments. In some cases, it provides health care to family members of veterans; patients whose military service has not been confirmed; and people receiving humanitarian care.

    The report also notes that some of the pending files pertain to people inquiring about services rather than actually applying for them. The VA "does not have a reliable method to distinguish which enrollment records were created in response to an enrollment application or records entered into (the database) by actions other than enrollment," the report says.

    Making matters worse, about 55 percent of the pending files are missing contact dates with the VA. The omissions make the database "unreliable for monitoring timeliness or determine if a record represents a veteran’s intent to apply for VA health care," according to the report.

    The inspector general concluded, "Most of the pending records are old and inactive and many of them were misclassified."

    Our ruling

    "Over 300,000 veterans have died waiting for care," Trump said in a Norfolk speech in which he promised to overhaul the VA.

    Trump offered the most dire possible interpretation of a scathing report on VA record-keeping and went well beyond what the inspector general was able to conclude.

    The report found that 307,173 dead people were listed last year on a VA database as having pending status with the agency. But shabby records make a detailed dissection of that number impossible. Investigators said that some of those people were not veterans; not all of them were seeking health care or necessarily any VA service; and some of them died before 1998, when the database began.

    No doubt, the VA is ripe for criticism. But Trump’s statement takes liberty with the facts, and we rate it Mostly False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Because it is starved of cash. And because no one can sue a VA doctor for malpractice, so a certain amount of bad doctors hide there.

    You realize, I hope, that in a for-profit system, there are enormous incentives to deny expensive care.
    Not true, Maddy. Most VA doctors are either retired private physicians, mostly military. There's bad apples in every bushel, the fact is there's far fewer in the VA system than any hospital.


    Gawd. I wish you people would educate yourselves. That's why I hate coming here.
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