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    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Anybody care to discuss how the suggestion that a federal Judge cannot be impartial because they are of Hispanic heritage and a "hater" is or is not racist?
    Sure. If you are a marketing guy trying to show how tough and anti-PC you are and you have targeted potential voters who are strongly anti-immigration, and anti-Nafta, and anti-PC and you want them to turn out on election day, you keep on saying things that are outlandish like what Trump said. This is perfectly possible without him being an actual racist. If you want to PROVE he's a racist, look at his hiring practices, not his calculated speeches. Folks on the left are preoccupied with speech. Political speech is probably more likely to hide core beliefs than reveal them. Like Obama saying he would pay for every penny of his programs. Does anyone think he's a fiscal conservative? Has he paid for food stamp expansion, loosening social security disability standards, tripling the budget for the Department of Education?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I cannot believe how trump can be so blatantly racist yet his followers either deny it or just claim "Hillary is too".

    Yes Trump is a fucking racist and no Hillary is not regardless of what one's demented mind wants to conclude. You don't get 90% of the black vote by being a racist, you get more like 10%, the amount that repubs get.
    So, IYO, the support a Democrat gets from POC "proves" there are no Democratic politicians who are racists?

    Isn't that a bit like evaluating the health of one horse by checking the odds bookies are giving on his winning his next race?

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    compared to Trump Hillary is MLk.

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    Speaking of MLK, anyone else watch the LBJ special on HBO? HBO knocked it out of the park, and shit loads of Emmy's will accrue.

    Bryan Cranston was simply as good as acting can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    and I respect your opinion because I know you haven't got a racist bone in your body. As a matter of fact, you're raising a lot of valid questions. Truth be told, not all African American's support Hillary Clinton - do they?

    So, thanks for this thread.

    These are exactly the sorts of questions we should all be asking ourselves. Like Holder once said, when it comes to discussing race we are all cowards.

    Clearly, that doesn't apply in the case of your OP.
    I will look around for an old clip of Hillary, campaigning or promoting "welfare reform". I think if you sit and absorb what they said, you will hear what I did. And there is absolutely no question, that law severely injured American poor (and the taxpayers).

    So where is Hillary's plan to unwind it and undo this horrible mess? Even if you think she was innocent in 1995 because she didn't know better -- she sure as fuck knows better NOW.

    Same with minimum sentencing laws. Where's her plan to address the racist criminal justice system SHE helped create?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I will look around for an old clip of Hillary, campaigning or promoting "welfare reform". I think if you sit and absorb what they said, you will hear what I did. And there is absolutely no question, that law severely injured American poor (and the taxpayers).

    So where is Hillary's plan to unwind it and undo this horrible mess? Even if you think she was innocent in 1995 because she didn't know better -- she sure as fuck knows better NOW.

    Same with minimum sentencing laws. Where's her plan to address the racist criminal justice system SHE helped create?
    Hillary has talked about the Judicial system many times if you just bothered to listen to her instead of posting these hate rants full of lies.

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    Ask and ye shall receive:

    CLINTON: We have to restore policing that will actually protect the communities that police officers are sworn to protect. But, I would also add this. There are other racial discrepancies. Really systemic racism in this state, as in others, education, in employment, in the kinds of factors that too often lead from a position where young people, particularly young men, are pushed out of school early, are denied employment opportunities. So, when we talk about criminal justice reform, and ending the era of mass incarceration, we also have to talk about jobs, education, housing, and other ways of helping communities.

    Source: 2016 PBS Democratic debate in Wisconsin , Feb 11, 2016
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    want to tackle those barriers that stand in the way of too many. African-Americans who face discrimination in the job market, education, housing, and the criminal justice system. Hardworking immigrant families living in fear, who should be brought out of the shadows so they and their children can have a better future. Guaranteeing that women's work finally gets the pay, the equal pay that we deserve.
    Source: 2016 PBS Democratic debate in Wisconsin , Feb 11, 2016
    Q: You said recently, “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when Pres. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.” Critics claim you’re saying Martin Luther King’s speeches were a nice sentiment, but it took a white president to get blacks to the mountaintop.
    A: I can’t let you get away with that mischaracterization. I was responding to a speech that Senator Obama gave, where he compared himself to Pres. Kennedy & to Dr. King. Dr. King had been leading a movement. But Dr. King understood that there has to be a coming to terms of our country politically in order to make the changes that would last for generations beyond the iconic, extraordinary speeches that he gave. That’s why he campaigned for Lyndon Johnson in 1964. That’s why he was there when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Does he deserve the lion’s share of the credit for moving our country and moving our political process? Yes, he does. But he also had partners who were in the political system.

    Source: Meet the Press: 2008 “Meet the Candidates” series , Jan 13, 2008
    In 1965, Hillary invited a black classmate to attend church services with her at the Methodist church, a move that raised eyebrows. Don Jones later recalled that the Park Ridge Methodist folks were bothered because Hillary seemed to make the move “not out of goodwill” but simply to shock a “lily-white church.” She told Jones she was genuinely interested in her minority classmates, and today, schoolmates like Karen Williamson speak warmly of Hillary: “She was a friend. As a black woman going to Wellesley at the time friends were very welcome. All the black students felt we had a close friendship in Hillary.“ They also sensed something more: ”A lot of us thought Hillary would be the first woman president,“ said Williamson later.
    It was Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination that produced one of the greatest shifts. The trauma seemed to catalyze Hillary’s politics. Nevertheless, her classmates insist she was never a radical. Hillary was more willing to work within the system to change things.

    Source: God and Hillary Clinton, by Paul Kengor, p. 28-29 , Jul 18, 2007
    Q: Is race still the most intractable issue in America?
    A: It is abundantly clear that race and racism are defining challenges not only in the United States but around the world. We have made progress. You can look at this stage and see an African American, a Latino, a woman contesting for the presidency of the United States. But there is so much left to be done. And for anyone to assert that race is not a problem in America is to deny the reality in front of our very eyes. You can look at the thousands of African-Americans left behind by their government with Katrina. You can look at the opportunity gap. So, yes, we have come a long way, but, yes, we have a long way to go. The march is not finished, and I hope that all of us, the Democratic candidates, will demonstrate clearly that the work is yet to be done. And we call on everyone to be foot soldiers in that revolution to finish the job.

    Source: 2007 Democratic Primary Debate at Howard University , Jun 28, 2007
    In 1972, I returned to D.C. to work for Marian Wright Edelman. My assignment was to gather information about the Nixon Administration’s failure to enforce the legal ban on granting tax-exempt status to the private segregated academies that had sprung up in the South to avoid integrated public schools. The academies claimed they were created in response to parents deciding to form private schools; it had nothing to do with court-ordered integration. I went to Atlanta to meet with the lawyers and civil rights workers who were compiling evidence that proved the academies were created solely for the purpose of avoiding the constitutional mandate of the Supreme Court’s decisions.
    As part of my investigation, I drove to Alabama. At a local private school, I had an appointment to meet an administrator to discuss enrolling my imaginary child. I went through my role-playing, asking questions about the curriculum and makeup of the student body. I was assured that no black students would be enrolled.

    Source: Living History, by Hillary Clinton, p. 57 , Nov 1, 2003
    Q: Will you support reparations for African-Americans?
    CLINTON: We have mental, emotional and psychological reparations to pay first. We have to admit that we haven’t always treated people in our own country fairly. We have some issues that we have to address when it comes to racial justice right now. I’m willing to work hard to be a strong advocate for Civil Rights and human rights here at home and around the world. I want to do everything I can to make sure that the programs and policies that have helped generations of African-Americans have a better life in this country continue. I think we should be focused on the present and on the future. We owe an apology to African-Americans for hundreds of years of slavery.

    LAZIO: I believe it is time for us to move past the issue of reparations among African-Americans and work for ways in which we can bring more opportunity and better educational opportunities to African-American children.

    Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000
    There is probably no more important task parents--and the rest of the village--face than raising children not only to tolerate but to respect the differences among people and to recognize the rewards that come from serving others. I call this affirmative living--the positive energy we derive from taking pride in who we are and from having the confidence and moral grounding to reach out to those who are different.
    Some of the most effective approaches to promoting affirmative living are those that involve the entire village. An annual event in Boston called Team Harmony brings middle and high school students together with local sports figures and business leaders to take a stand against prejudice and bigotry. After the Team Harmony event in 1994, many students wrote about the positive messages they received. “Since the event, I want to do all that I can to stop racism,” one of them wrote. “I want everyone to live in peace & harmony, where there is no hatred & no violence.”

    Source: It Takes A Village, by Hillary Clinton, p.172-179 , Sep 25, 1996
    HRC has been a class warrior her entire life, you can dismiss these statements she has made over the course of over 50 years if you want, but at some point you have to say that if she is a racist, she has managed to live her entire life in the closet.

    Hillary Clinton on Civil Rights
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I don't think reasonable people can argue, as if it's an open question, over whether Trump is a racist.

    But too many here seem confused as to whether Hillary is a racist.

    She is, always has been, and will continue to be.

    But they are different. Hillary hides hers. She says nice things about Muhammed Ali. She has her photo taken with Al Sharpton.

    Personally, I prefer my hate full on and without any bullshit.

    Most POC I know feel the same. If you hate me, say so to my face.

    Your thoughts?
    My thought is that you have no idea what a racist is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, actually she is a class warrior, but since most POC care deeply about the well-being of the poor, etc., they usually do not view anyone who harms the poor as an ally.

    And she and her husband most assuredly harmed the poor -- more than any other US president since the Civil War.
    I would laugh if I thought you weren't serious. Hillary Clinton has done more for poor women and children all over the world for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Let me expand on this.

    I think Trump is full-on KKK racist. That he literally hates some people, notably "Arabs" and "Mexicans", for no reason other than the way they look. That he would -- and has -- gratuitously harmed whomever he hated most ATM, all his adult life.

    Hillary, OTOH, is innocent of the KKK version racism. But she is power hungry. This is a woman who has been planning to be president for FORTY YEARS. She has done, and will do, anything to attain and retain that power -- not a particularly mentally healthy human being.

    In this quest for power, Hillary has used racist stereotypes, exacerbated the suffering of those already dealt injuries for racist purposes, and frayed the fabric of our society. I find her conduct racist, regardless of her nonracial, "the ends justify the means", apparent motives.

    If you recall, Reagan used racist stereotypes in campaigning for and carrying out the duties of his office, notably the "welfare queen". Bush I, whom I generally admire, was excoriated for using the "black criminal" stereotype in his campaign materials. (Willie Horton.)

    But it was Billary who revived these hideous stereotypes to achieve political goals. Chief among all the examples of this is the vicious, indefensible "end welfare as we know it" legislation. The Congressional Record is packed full of the Clintons and Congress critters bloviating about how "the poor need motivation to get off welfare" and believe me, for "poor", hear "black and brown Americans". To watch DEMOCRATS reinforce these stereotypes was just horrible, but even worse was that Billary never discussed the ACTUAL causes of persistent poverty. The new law created NO real access to a secure middle class life for any poor person, but did create GREAT wealth for various "friends of government" who ran "workfare" programs that were flat-out, do-nothing embezzlement schemes.

    For a longer explanation of this 1990's welfare legislation, see this thread:

    The Clintons' War On The Poor

    I can also find various articles by economists and other pundits to support the POV that this law was INTENDED to severely harm the poor.

    The Worst Thing Bill Clinton Has Done - The Atlantic

    I can point out other examples of this as to the MASSIVE number of criminal minimum sentencing laws that were passed during Billary's terms, always raising the spectre of the "violent black criminal", even though far too many also reached nonviolent crimes.

    "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was an abomination. Billary could have ended discrimination completely against GLBT people in the military via executive order. There was no "crisis" in GLBT people being discharged (as compared to years before), and the misery that inflicted is enormous. Obviously, not every GLBT military person is a POC, but I include it here because it is an example of Billary exploiting a vulnerable people, American citizens, for political gain. And to suggest that they ":could not have known" is bullshit, especially as when they watched the impacts destroy lives, they did nothing to ameliorate the suffering THEY caused.

    The class warfare Billary engaged in -- and will again, if elected -- fell hardest on the poor, a disproportionate number of whom are POC. The deregulation of our capitalistic economy, which led to the Great Recession, occurred at Billary's behest and they KNEW what the impact was because the dot com bubble occurred on their watch, as well as the junk bond scandals. Most American families went into the 1990's owing only secured loans for the home and cars, and most came out, at the end of that decade, as wage slaves with enormous credit card debt, home equity loan and -- possibly worst of all -- serious losses from gambling on the stock market over the internet. These changes all required enabling legislation, which Billary championed.

    In the same way, the NAFTA-related American jobs losses are all on Billary -- and until Bernie shamed her, she was a cheerleader for TPP (an Asian version of NAFTA). Again, it is not as if Billary did not know the treaty was SEVERELY harmful to America -- we had a 5 day riot in Seattle at the World Trade Organization about globalization of capital. Naturally, Billary SAID he was on the side of "the kids", but persisted in pursuing NAFTA until it was passed. To this day, Hillary counts it as a success!

    So, I would say Hillary has and will continue to harm most POC. To me it matters naught that she does so to gain power by serving her masters in the 0.01%, rather than because she hates certain ethnicities.

    Call it what you like, IMO, it is no better than Trump's. They both use POC as scapegoats, and they both try to reach their goals by stepping on the poor, too many of whom are POC.
    I do have to laugh at your line that Hillary was planning to be president for 40 years. We all know what a reality that was for women 40 years ago. You remind me of the aouthern racists who call democrats racists
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