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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I will look around for an old clip of Hillary, campaigning or promoting "welfare reform".
    Yes. A crowning achievement of Clinton mediocrity and Blue Dog Democraticness. I didn't agree with it.

    But that doesn't make Hillary Clinton racist.

    I DO think the Clintons would have made excellent Republicans in 1959.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Lol. Everyone is racist whether they admit to themselves or not. We seek to live in majority same. The ones we cannot respect are those who pride themselves on it. Pretty difficult to do in the USA melting pot.
    It's the ones who act on their prejudices

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    What I find most interesting here is the assumption that all criminals and people needing assistance are black..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I would laugh if I thought you weren't serious. Hillary Clinton has done more for poor women and children all over the world for decades.
    Actually, I hear a lot of young leftists in my town chasing the same myth of all the damage Clinton has done to black families. It's hogwash.

    And if we're going to lump the Clintons as a package (Madeline does when she evokes welfare reform by Bill), Bill's record of job growth improved the job situation for all ethnicities. Reagan, on the other hand, had job growth, but not for blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Sure. If you are a marketing guy trying to show how tough and anti-PC you are and you have targeted potential voters who are strongly anti-immigration, and anti-Nafta, and anti-PC and you want them to turn out on election day, you keep on saying things that are outlandish like what Trump said. This is perfectly possible without him being an actual racist. If you want to PROVE he's a racist, look at his hiring practices, not his calculated speeches. Folks on the left are preoccupied with speech. Political speech is probably more likely to hide core beliefs than reveal them. Like Obama saying he would pay for every penny of his programs. Does anyone think he's a fiscal conservative? Has he paid for food stamp expansion, loosening social security disability standards, tripling the budget for the Department of Education?
    I would bet that out of every person trump hires he might meet one. Using the fact that he or his companies have hired blacks so he can't be racist is utterly fucking stupid. His racism is blatant to anyone who is not a racist and the quickest way to prove that you are is to discount his.

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    There was a time when people, regardless of their differences in many things, still got together civilly and many times to come to terms with what they disagreed on, so they could get something done that was beyond their personal or political party's interest.

    In fact, were it not for people who disagreed coming together for something more than their personal wants, this nation would not exist.

    Hard to believe that Hillary Clinton is a racist and that she is just "hiding it". In addition, if being in a photo with someone or speaking, (from experience as First Lady, Senator from NY and SoS (4th in line of succession for Presidency and chosen to be so by a "black" President that defeated her) before a certain audience somehow puts someone "in bed" with those they had their photo taken with or spoke to, then all kinds of people would/could be implicated on all kinds of things.

    Republicans have built the meme that Hillary Clinton is "dishonest" and as far as anyone can tell, it has worked, because the same meme is being taken up by some others, whether true or not.

    Bill Clinton was politically impeached, based on charges he "lied" about what republicans have/had been condemning as "sinful" "lefties" "democrats" "libs", even as they prove themselves to be no less sinful and even as they are more than happy to accept, for political gain, endorsements, actual or implied, from religious groups, based on some "moral" superiority. In spite of that, Bill Clinton got a lot done, because he actually worked across the aisle to the chagrin (now) of some who are letting the republican memes about Hillary Clinton do to them, the same it has done to Trump supporters. Did Bill Clinton make mistakes? Did Ronald Reagan? G.H.W. Bush? How about Junior, GWB? Has Barack Obama? In the grand scheme of things, has there even been a perfect President?

    In the weighing of positives and negatives, who stands out more and why?

    If we are blaming Presidents for things, do we need to compare apples to apples, not apples to grapes? If we are to blame one President solely for the economy, don't we have to blame all Presidents for the economy? Aren't we lying to ourselves if we blame (or praise) one President for the economy, then blame Congress (or some other factor) for the economy during a different President's administration?

    It doesn't seem as simple as we all make it out to be, but at election time, the "winner" seems to be the person that can wrap everything into simple statements (to reach the biggest segment of population) and get them to believe those simplified statements.

    The trouble with Hillary Clinton is that she's not as good a BSer as the men, especially Trump. Trump could insult anyone up and down and then act as if he didn't just lambaste them or blame them for lambasting him, if they dare comment on his insults of them.

    While one could catch all politicians in BS or out and out lies, Clinton, for those that pay more attention to details than propaganda, is actually found to be more honest and truthful than most of her opposition, but because she's not as good a BSer as someone like Trump, she'll be accused of being dishonest and distrustful while Donald Trump will be praised (by his "I could shoot someone"....'and still have supporters') supporters.

    Yes, I have problems with Hillary Clinton, but not nearly as much as with Donald Trump and would have voted for Bernie Sanders had he not gotten off message with his campaign and allowing overzealous supporters (not all of them are) sound more like Trump supporters than supporters of progressive (hopefully human beings want to continue to progress to be better, where they can and do) ideas.

    I also wonder about Bernie supporters who say they would vote for Trump before Hillary Clinton and why "spite" or hatefulness is good in any party or would be a part of support for Bernie Sanders.

    The sad truth seems to be Americans have bought into "negativity" and propaganda (rather than intelligent/critical thinking) perhaps more than I have ever seen in my lifetime and our government, has become, if not has always been, a reflection of the society that elects it.

    Read the works of Thomas Jefferson (also a human being and President who was not perfect) and one finds how often he spoke of the importance of a populated populace and its connection to a good elected government and governance.

    Read all the founders and one will find their oft featured comments on the influence of the rich upon the less rich and offerings of means to avoid that from becoming a factor of government, as much as possible. Once again, it was the influence of the rich, not being rich, on the buying and keeping of power for their control. If society elects the rich to office, especially those who are especially greedy and perhaps gluttonous in their actions, what sort of government would they expect to have, but one that people whine about today as being an "oligarchy" or unofficially, a "plutocracy"?

    Sure the Clinton's have money, but compared to Donald Trump, it's a drop in the bucket and the Clintons (Although Bill is not running) have always advocated for taxing the wealthy more. That, (in "simple language" or with some thinking involved) means they are advocating, NOT for something that would be a break for themselves, but something that would cost them more. Somewhere in the midst of all the other memes, people seem to have forgotten one of the most important differences between the two main political parties when it comes to at least attempts, to deal with wealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Actually, I hear a lot of young leftists in my town chasing the same myth of all the damage Clinton has done to black families. It's hogwash.
    If that isn't the fucking stupidest myth I don't know what is. You don't get 90 percent of the black vote by damaging black families, you simply fucking don't. Those people who seem to think all the blacks are too stupid to realize that, guess what? They're racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    It's the ones who act on their prejudices
    There is not one among us that are not influenced by events in their life. For instance one poster has bias against Hillary.

    For me I am very biased against Donald trump but I never speak of hating him. Hate eats at your own soul, not the person you hate. Does not affect them at all. I think Donald Trump is the grossest man to ever run for President but his hate and anger will kill him. Not me.

    He looks as if he has high blood pressure and one of his hateful tirades may affect him. You can not be in a perpetual rage without effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Crime was sky high back then. And almost everyone was for the Crime bill. But as usual, it was carried too far and many blacks were incarcerated for minor crimes. That is now changing, but to call the first Black President and his wife racists is a lie.

    Made up hyperbole by desperate Republicans who can not deal with the real racist they selected.
    Crime was high. But there is no evidence that minimum sentencing laws reduced it, and most pundits think they had little or even a harmful effect.

    Crime rates came down in the 1990's because fewer people were poor -- the single greatest cause of violent crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Lol. Everyone is racist whether they admit to themselves or not. We seek to live in majority same. The ones we cannot respect are those who pride themselves on it. Pretty difficult to do in the USA melting pot.
    No, not everyone is a racist. That's ridiculous. I have never harmed another soul in my life simply because I hate people who "look like them", and I'll lay odds you haven't, either.

    Yes, everyone is loaded down with biases and prejudices. I expect a black professional to do a better job, all things being equal. I prefer a female OB/GYN because I think that doctor will be more likely to work harder towards a good outcome for me. Etc.

    Irrational? Maybe.

    OTOH, I would prefer my bus driver be over age 25, maybe even over age 30. I prefer my cops be POC.

    Not AS irrational, is it?

    Biases help us live together as a group and predict the conduct of strangers, at a glance, with very few cues.

    They do NOT constitute hatred or devaluation of/for other humans based only on their ethnicity.

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