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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Another more pearl of wisdom from your made-up grandma?
    Lincoln's depression is well documented. Its what led to him throwing out Habeas Corpus and ordering Sherman's march of pure destruction which hurt the South for the next 100 years. The only thing that saved Lincoln was the war, who knows what he would have done if he couldn't focus on that. He was by far the most dangerous president in our nations history.


    Exploring Abraham Lincoln's 'Melancholy' In January 1841, a young Abraham Lincoln suffered his second breakdown. He collapsed, and was treated by a doctor who may have done him more harm than good. A new book explores how the Illinois lawyer went on to become president despite suffering from lifelong depression.Oct 26, 2005
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4976127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Lincoln's depression is well documented. Its what led to him throwing out Habeas Corpus and ordering Sherman's march of pure destruction which hurt the South for the next 100 years. The only thing that saved Lincoln was the war, who knows what he would have done if he couldn't focus on that. He was by far the most dangerous president in our nations history.

    Cool story, Mr. Wilkes Booth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Lincoln also said the Constitution did not apply to him and he locked up thousands of political prisoners.
    Revoking Civil Liberties: Lincoln's Constitutional Dilemma | US News
    When the war started, there was little doubt in Lincoln's mind that his suspension of civil liberties was both necessary and constitutional. His political opponents may have disagreed, but facing a full-fledged insurrection in the South and with the loyalty of Maryland, the state between Washington, D.C., and the rest of the Union, wavering, Lincoln had grounds to worry that the nation's capital was in real danger.

    His worst fears were realized in the first month of the war, when a group of Massachusetts soldiers he had ordered south to protect the capital was attacked by an angry mob as the troops passed through Baltimore. The soldiers, panicking, fired into the crowd, killing 12 civilians. Four soldiers were killed, too. Ironically, they were the first casualties of the Civil War.

    With Southern sympathizers beginning to cut telegraph wires and burn bridges behind Union lines in Maryland, Lincoln gave the order in April 1861 to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, allowing the Army to arrest and detain without trial those considered "disloyal." His order was limited, at first, to the rail lines between D.C. and Philadelphia, but it soon spread to the rest of the Union.

    Legally, Lincoln felt he was on firm ground. The Constitution, after all, explicitly grants the government the power to suspend habeas corpus "in cases of rebellion or invasion," though it is not clear on whether this power resides with Congress or the president. In either case, before the war was over, the Union would face both rebellion and invasion, and in 1863, Congress passed a law, the Habeas Corpus Indemnity Act, in support of Lincoln.
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    Congress nor the president can legally suspend the Constitution.

    Show me where in the Constitution it gives them that power. The ONLY way to do that is to pass an amendment and have it ratified by the States.
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    Lincoln's Suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus: An Historical and Constitutional Analysis
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    Under the Constitution the federal government can unquestionably suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus if the public safety requires it during times of rebellion or invasion. The issue is whether Congress or the president holds this power. Historical perspective on that issue in the context of the Civil War requires a study of the actions of Congress and the president, Lincoln's defense of his suspensions of the writ, and presidential and congressional dealings with and reactions to each other. The relationship between Lincoln and Congress, like the power of suspension, has received limited historical attention, with the only extensive treatment a 1907 article by University of Wisconsin professor George Sellery.

    Here we will examine Lincoln's suspensions of habeas corpus in their Civil War context, including congressional action and reaction, and see how the suspensions were viewed at the time and later by scholars. Lincoln's views of the suspensions will be considered along with a legal/constitutional analysis to determine whether Congress or the president holds the power of suspension.
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    This is a guy that screwed people over for sport. Trump thought it was fun sending in his team of lawyers to see how small of a fraction contractors and vendors would be willing to accept on the money he owed them before not paying them at all so they would have to file for bankruptcy. Trump deserves to be in prison before I would consider forgiving.

    If this was some average Joe struggling to make ends meet, we'd demand double the punishment if he dared to play victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, narcissism is a personality disorder, HayJenn. It's actually quite a painful one. The sufferer never knows a moment's peace.

    A personality defect is not a mental illness, and it usually is fixed -- it would not cause a massive deterioration, as a rule. But it MIGHT make the person a lot more vulnerable to mental illnesses, especially anxiety and addiction.

    I am not excusing the Trump damage, which IMO, I will not live to see reversed.

    I'm really just kinda nosy, if I am begin honest. I wonder why he has put himself through this. It's a curiosity to me.
    A narcisstic personality is actually a very insecure person who tries to convince others they are always right,always better than others,when the truth is they feel very insecure. They can not face the truth about themselves. But I also see signs of mental illness in Trump. Do not forget he watched his father wither away with Alzheimer's. That fear has to be deep inside him,knowing it is hereditary.
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    Is that the Joe Walsh that failed to pay child support?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Is that the Joe Walsh that failed to pay child support?
    Is that Hillary Clinton attacking Bills rape victims?

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