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    What's Trump's Problem?

    Trump MUST have known the videos were going to come out. The Apprentice is saying they have 300 hours on him and most of it is worse than what we have already heard from Access Hollywood.

    And, of course, his 1,001 other glaring, repugnant scandals.

    In short, he must have known it would end like this. Why would he choose this for himself?

    I have a theory.

    You may have heard of Howard Hughes, a 20th century aviation manufacturer, film producer and all-around massive success story. This is a man who thrived on his social life and was widely admired by the whole country.

    But he died a recluse, with strange ideas and obsessions. Born in 1905, Hughes was noticably odd by the time he was in his early 40's. Most of it was OCD, of a peculiar sort, but not all. During this decade he also suffered injuries in a near-fatal crash that would leave him in intractable pain for the rest of his life.

    In his 50's, he was in conflict with the Desert Inn in Nevada, in which he occupied a penthouse apartment he refused to leave. So he bought the hotel. After he died, his aides discovered the drapes had never been opened and had rotted through.

    He was very upset about nuclear underground testing in Nevada at this time and instructed his aides to offer the president -- LBJ -- a $1 million bribe to stop it.

    When he died in 1979, he was so disfigured the FBI had to use fingerprints to identify his body. His hair, fingernails and toenails were all very long. He was 6 ft 4 in and weighed only 90 pounds. His cause of death was kidney failure secondary to malnutrition.

    Hughes is hardly the only very wealthy person to suffer an untreated mental illness. (Whatever his may have been, or the several of them he had.)

    When a very wealthy person is mentally ill, especially a talented leader of any sort, there is no one to force that person to seek care. Delusions can be made real, sort of, if you have the money. It's as if these people are TOO rich to get access to care.

    I think there are parallels in Trump's behavior. He was always strange, but the strange Donald of the ivana era and what we are seeing now are very different. When he divorced Ivana in 1992, he lost his wife and children -- probably his best chance at an emotionally gratifying personal life. He had already lost Roy Cohn, so to speak, because Trump discovered Cohn had AIDS in 1987 and never spoke to him again. For all intents and purposes, Cohn had been Trump's father figure, and so he at least suffered more or less the loss or estrangement of everyone he loved in a very short time.

    You look at photos of Trump from 1992 and today, you can see the deterioration. It is not just aging....I think it's something more, too.

    I don't think he's JUST a doucebag. I think we are watching an irreverisble slide into complete loss of control, and that Trump's future is extremely grim. Some may say it couldn't happen to a nicer guy -- and part of me does, too.

    But this also seems like a terrible way to end a life, and I have pity for him.

    Not much....but not none.

    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    .... The Apprentice is saying they have 300 hours on him and most of it is worse than what we have already heard from Access Hollywood. ....
    I hardly care about his problem. He'll be spanked soon enough and will be out of our misery. Could feel a little bad about anyone's deterioration.

    But mostly what I care about now is all these people who knew all that crap and did NOTHING about it -- just kept paying him big bucks and hiding his criminal behavior from the public eye.

    These are people responsible for getting news to us. And these are people who organize big money fundraisers to get all the high-powered people together to get the max donations to their favorite politicians. These are the people that our politicians care about. And they're hiding assaults on women.

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    A campaign meant to fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meursault View Post
    A campaign meant to fail?
    Something worse. There is a DuPont heir who developed a delusion about Olympic wrestling, as if he could remake the sport and assure himself a gold medal team. He killed his star player and was then killed himself by a SWAT team he seems have thought he could outgun by himself. There is a documentary on him called Foxcatcher.

    I think Trump had a delusion about changing our politics so his horrible behavior would be applauded, not condemned.
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    I just think he has a massive ego and is a raging narcissist
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I just think he has a massive ego and is a raging narcissist
    Well, narcissism is a personality disorder, HayJenn. It's actually quite a painful one. The sufferer never knows a moment's peace.

    A personality defect is not a mental illness, and it usually is fixed -- it would not cause a massive deterioration, as a rule. But it MIGHT make the person a lot more vulnerable to mental illnesses, especially anxiety and addiction.

    I am not excusing the Trump damage, which IMO, I will not live to see reversed.

    I'm really just kinda nosy, if I am begin honest. I wonder why he has put himself through this. It's a curiosity to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, narcissism is a personality disorder, HayJenn. It's actually quite a painful one. The sufferer never knows a moment's peace.

    A personality defect is not a mental illness, and it usually is fixed -- it would not cause a massive deterioration, as a rule. But it MIGHT make the person a lot more vulnerable to menatl illnesses, especially anxiety and addiction.

    I am not excusing the Trump damage, which IMO, I will not live to see reversed.

    I'm really just kinda nosy, if I am begin honest. I wonder why he has put himself through this. It's a curiosity to me.
    It's interesting - I just happen to catch the CNN special on him tonight. Seems like he has always had a big ego - even going so far as to bug Fortune Magazine to put him on their top 100 list when he really didn't make the top 100. He has for years, massively over stated his "wealth". And I don't think he has any empathy either. It's always about him. Just look at his campaign. He has basically ignored most of the advice his campaign team has given him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, narcissism is a personality disorder, HayJenn. It's actually quite a painful one. The sufferer never knows a moment's peace.

    A personality defect is not a mental illness, and it usually is fixed -- it would not cause a massive deterioration, as a rule. But it MIGHT make the person a lot more vulnerable to mental illnesses, especially anxiety and addiction.

    I am not excusing the Trump damage, which IMO, I will not live to see reversed.

    I'm really just kinda nosy, if I am begin honest. I wonder why he has put himself through this. It's a curiosity to me.
    If he's truly delusional, he isn't going through this in a way we would expect.

    Personality disorders don't respond well to treatment. Also they don't get worse with age, but tend to improve.
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    We elected Bill Clinton who is a sex addict so why not Trump?

    If you are interested I could go through an entire list of presidents who have had weird quirks. Lincoln suffered from sever depression for example, there is no way he should have been allowed to serve in office.

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