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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    No, I mean he had a complete physical in order to be allowed to serve. Every President elect has to go through it.

    That's just it, right now it is "we don't like your choices, so we're attacking you as crazy" as the headline. It will never happen.
    It can if you are crazy and he certainly is. But I don't want him to go just yet, I want to see him tell the repubs to go screw themselves that he's not repealing Obamacare if it means 20 million will lose their insurance, first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttusBlack View Post
    There are numerous Presidents that could be added by your criteria, yet the rules are now the 25th Amendment.
    The criteria mandated by the 25th Amendment consists solely of consensus among the President's cabinet and the Congress. There are no specific guidelines offered as to what constitutes fitness for office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    It can if you are crazy and he certainly is. But I don't want him to go just yet, I want to see him tell the repubs to go screw themselves that he's not repealing Obamacare if it means 20 million will lose their insurance, first.
    So long as Trump is merely embarrassing himself with his inept behavior and not taking dangerous actions such as engaging the nation in a pointless war, then I see nothing to be gained by exchanging Trump for Pence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    It can if you are crazy and he certainly is. But I don't want him to go just yet, I want to see him tell the repubs to go screw themselves that he's not repealing Obamacare if it means 20 million will lose their insurance, first.
    The politics about when is the optimal time to remove Trump are endlessly fascinating, and add to the mix, if Trump is credibly threatened with impeachment, he'd almost certainly resign.

    Then declare he "won" the impeachment proceedings, and spend the rest of his life trying to ruin the lives of his "enemies".

    This is the" Roy Cohn school of conflict resolution" technique, and Trump has it down to an art form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The politics about when is the optimal time to remove Trump are endlessly fascinating, and add to the mix, if Trump is credibly threatened with impeachment, he'd almost certainly resign.
    I don't know whether Trump would resign, were he impeached. I do know that the optimal time for the GOP to dump Trump would be one year prior to the next presidential election. That would set Pence up for reelection, without him having the burden of an actual track record by which he could be judged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So long as Trump is merely embarrassing himself with his inept behavior and not taking dangerous actions such as engaging the nation in a pointless war, then I see nothing to be gained by exchanging Trump for Pence.
    I agree, Pence is unattractive as an alternative. For starters, he is FAR more likely to effectively pass legislation than Trump. But I disagree that unless Trump starts a war, he should stay.

    I think he is actually mentally ill and getting worse, and that he represents too grave a threat NOW to trust him to act in America's interests. His treasonous relationship with Putin adds another layer to this.

    Surely we cannot tolerate PUTIN as a secret Acting President of the United States?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So long as Trump is merely embarrassing himself with his inept behavior and not taking dangerous actions such as engaging the nation in a pointless war, then I see nothing to be gained by exchanging Trump for Pence.
    Would have to think moderate dems agree with that strategy. If he is just a buffoon, it puts them at a future advantage. The worse he looks, the better things will be for them. Remove him from office then its really an unknown. Nobody thought GW Bush would get a second term but he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    PBS has a new tv series on Churchill, and the cover up of his extreme poor health in the last days of his premiership. I imagine that's happened in most countries, somewhere in their history.

    Can't recall the name of the series offhand, sorry.
    At my old Church I was sent a Sermon in the Prayer Chain where the Pastor compared Trump to Churchill. The Pastor said Churchill was a heavy drinker,foul mouthed old man,but did great things for Britain and Trump would do the same. Oneof the Southern Baptist preachers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I agree, Pence is unattractive as an alternative. For starters, he is FAR more likely to effectively pass legislation than Trump. But I disagree that unless Trump starts a war, he should stay.

    I think he is actually mentally ill and getting worse, and that he represents too grave a threat NOW to trust him to act in America's interests. His treasonous relationship with Putin adds another layer to this.

    Surely we cannot tolerate PUTIN as a secret Acting President of the United States?
    It's out of my hands. I voted for Clinton. That's all that I could do. The American electorate made this bed, and now they're just going to have to sleep in it -- fleas and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I don't know whether Trump would resign, were he impeached. I do know that the optimal time for the GOP to dump Trump would be one year prior to the next presidential election. That would set Pence up for reelection, without him having the burden of an actual track record by which he could be judged.
    Probably. There's no unified interest in the GOP, and ultimately, the Congresscritters are going to act to save their careers if they believe they're in danger. If public anger grows strong enough,. Republicans perceived as "dragging their heels" will get roasted. (Here in Ohio, there's a lot of anger for Sen. Portman, for failing to denounce Trump soon enough and strongly enough before the election. This extremely popular senator had to actually work at getting reelected, when he had been considered a shoe-in.)

    There are 193 Democrats in the House ATM, and so they only need 22 Republicans to vote to start impeachment proceedings.

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