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    If US tax payers subsidize research for new drugs... then WE should be the ones reaping the benefit for that by lower prices. Not other countries.

    If big pharma wants to price gouge the rest of the world..... i really don't care.


    Here is a good example.... the people and medical profession pushed hard for a HepC drug... and they got it. The problem is that it is so freaking expensive no one wants to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Is an identical drug safer in the U.S. because it costs me $305 instead of $30? If I buy a bottle of Nexium for $305 in Montana and then drive across the border into Alberta and swallow one, is that more dangerous than if I'd swallowed it in Montana?

    Then what are you talking about? These are identical items with vastly different price tags.
    https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesF.../ucm143561.htm

    Benefits of a Closed System

    Under the FD&C Act, the interstate shipment of any prescription drug that lacks required FDA approval is illegal. Interstate shipment includes importation--bringing drugs from a foreign country into the United States.

    Drugs sold in the United States also must have proper labeling that conforms with the FDA's requirements, and must be made in accordance with good manufacturing practices. As part of the FDA's high standards, drugs can be manufactured only at plants registered with the agency, whether those facilities are domestic or foreign. If a foreign firm is listed as a manufacturer or supplier of a drug's ingredient on a new drug application, the FDA generally travels to that site to inspect it.

    After the FDA approves a drug, manufacturers still are subject to FDA inspections and must continue to comply with good manufacturing practices. "With an unapproved drug, you can't be sure that it has been shipped, handled, and stored under conditions that meet U.S. requirements," McCallion says.

    Along with legal requirements on manufacturing, U.S. pharmacists and wholesalers must be licensed or authorized in the states where they operate, and limits on how drugs can be distributed lessen the likelihood that counterfeit or poor-quality drugs will turn up. It's because of such safeguards that the process of getting drugs onto U.S. pharmacy shelves is commonly referred to as a "closed" distribution system.
    If we don't require these Canadian pharmacies to be held to the same standard that we hold our own to, then we are jeopardizing another high paying industry in the U.S. If we aren't going to require the same exact things from pharmacists/pharmacies/manufacturers in other countries, then we should lower our regulations to match theirs, to remain competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesF.../ucm143561.htm

    If we don't require these Canadian pharmacies to be held to the same standard that we hold our own to, then we are jeopardizing another high paying industry in the U.S. If we aren't going to require the same exact things from pharmacists/pharmacies/manufacturers in other countries, then we should lower our regulations to match theirs, to remain competitive.
    That's the idea. Or we could be protectionist assholes and not allow the sale of our drugs to foreigners because of how morally superior we believe our FDA is. Does that sound smart?

    We don't get to impose our own laws on other countries. The FDA has no jurisdiction over other countries. Whatever the actual convoluted mechanisms are that cause and allow the pricing to gouge specifically the U.S. based consumers, taxpayers, insurance policyholders, employers, patients, etc., whatever those mechanisms are, at the end of the day the reality is this... a black market will undermine the domestic price-gouging scheme. And it should. A black market is a natural regulator of unethical price manipulation schemes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's the idea. Or we could be protectionist assholes and not allow the sale of our drugs to foreigners because of how morally superior we believe our FDA is. Does that sound smart?

    We don't get to impose our own laws on other countries. The FDA has no jurisdiction over other countries. Whatever the actual convoluted mechanisms are that cause and allow the pricing to gouge specifically the U.S. based consumers, taxpayers, insurance policyholders, employers, patients, etc., whatever those mechanisms are, at the end of the day the reality is this... a black market will undermine the domestic price-gouging scheme. And it should. A black market is a natural regulator of unethical price manipulation schemes.
    Well if Bernie's option is to put our pharmacies out of business due entirely to U.S. regulation then I don't support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Well if Bernie's option is to put our pharmacies out of business due entirely to U.S. regulation then I don't support it.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Huh?
    Follow the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I'm torn. I support the premise behind this bill. We all want lower prescription drug prices.

    The article says that there may be lower safety standards in these drugs from other countries. So, similar to free trade, what are the unintended consequences? Are we going to be shutting down pharmacies in the U.S. Because we are forcing them to buy higher priced rugs that meet safety specifications that we are allowing imported drugs to not have?
    If that is the case, I guess I would rather see a bill that 1, allows drugs to be bought form Canada, AND lowers the safety standards here, so that our pharmacies are dealing with the same product and fair competition when buying and selling these drugs, in order to stay competitive.
    That's bullshit. We can trust the Rx drugs made in Canada.
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    Hillary voted against Medicare Part D.
    She's a piece of fucking work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Well if Bernie's option is to put our pharmacies out of business due entirely to U.S. regulation then I don't support it.
    US pharmacies have very little economic power as compared to Big Pharma. Yes, many/most would close and lay off their pharmacists. But the misery caused by price gouging cannot be overstated. Lots of people are skipping insulin injections and other life-sustaining medications because of the exorbitant, unjustifiable cost.

    We no longer have buggy whip manufacturers in this country because the market no longer demands their product. American pharmacists could find a way to help Americans buy safely from Canadian pharmacies, but I suspect the big chains are not nimble enough to do so.

    It's not a reason to continue to allowing Big Pharma to piss all over all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    If US tax payers subsidize research for new drugs... then WE should be the ones reaping the benefit for that by lower prices. Not other countries.

    If big pharma wants to price gouge the rest of the world..... i really don't care.


    Here is a good example.... the people and medical profession pushed hard for a HepC drug... and they got it. The problem is that it is so freaking expensive no one wants to pay for it.
    Yep!! My BFF just went through the HepC insurance chaos and she is a teacher with great insurance. Her doctor ended up setting her up on a program with the pharmaceutical company with zero out of pocket. She had a needle stick about 18 years ago and was back and forth on her labs...most of the time they came back inconclusive. This last year she tested a strong positive and her liver studies were elevated. It was a miserable 6 months for her..the drugs made her ache from head to toe...but now there is no trace of the virus. It is gone.
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