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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    not a bad idea....

    however... i am of the opinion they do not get a hearing. They are criminals flat out.... they get tossed right back home the instant they arrive.
    You clearly do not understand the law and who most of these women and children are.

    Most of the women and children crossing the border [in far smaller numbers these days] are seeking asylum in the US.

    The law stipulates that asylum-seekers have their cases evaluated and heard.

    The question that DHS is grappling with is does the US keep the children in detention which is not a good environment for the children.

    There are recent cases where detention personnel have been charged with sexual abuse of the women detainees.


    Human rights groups have previously reported sexual abuse in immigrant facilities, but Daniel Sharkey is the first worker at a family detention center to be convicted of institutional sexual assault, a third degree felony assault charge for employees of jails, detention centers and other facilities serving children.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...assault-prison

    Their stay in the US has not been a picnic as you incorrectly believe.
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    Fifth Circuit Dismisses Female Immigration Detainees’ Sexual Assault Claims

    The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals held on May 6, 2014 that federal employees responsible for overseeing immigration detainee contracts were entitled to qualified immunity even if they knew that female detainees were being transported by a single male employee in violation of contractual requirements, prior to the women being sexually assaulted by the employee.

    This case was brought by eight female immigration detainees who, in separate incidents, were sexually assaulted while being transported from the T. Don Hutto Residential Center (Hutto) in Williamson County, Texas to the airport or bus station. [See: PLN, Dec. 2011, p.42].

    Pursuant to an Intergovernmental Service Agreement, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) contracts with Williamson County to manage the Hutto facility, and the county subcontracts with Corrections Corporation of America (CCA). Detainees are held at Hutto while waiting to be interviewed by asylum officers; if they establish a preliminary justification for asylum, they are released and transported to the bus station or airport. The eight plaintiffs were transported by CCA employee Donald Dunn, who sexually assaulted them.

    Dunn pleaded guilty to charges related to the assaults and was sentenced to 10 months in federal prison, plus a year in jail on state charges. [See: PLN, April 2012, p.1]. The women filed a Bivens action against George Robertson and Jose Rosado, ICE Contracting Officer’s Technical Representatives (COTRs) at Hutto. Their suit alleged that the COTRs knew Dunn had been transporting female detainees alone, and that the ICE contract required at least one transportation officer of the same gender as the person being transported to reduce the risk of sexual assault. Thus, the women argued the COTRs were deliberately indifferent to a substantial risk of serious harm to female detainees being transported by Dunn.
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    They are illegal...they deserve to be raped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think we should make a transit safe zone right through US land straight to the Canadian border.
    The Canadians could further by making straight to Quebec.
    Let those southerners go north.
    That's actually not a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    Stolen babies.

    What riot of stupidity!!
    My characterization is fair. These parents will be forced to hand over their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You clearly do not understand the law and who most of these women and children are.

    Most of the women and children crossing the border [in far smaller numbers these days] are seeking asylum in the US.

    The law stipulates that asylum-seekers have their cases evaluated and heard.

    The question that DHS is grappling with is does the US keep the children in detention which is not a good environment for the children.

    There are recent cases where detention personnel have been charged with sexual abuse of the women detainees.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...assault-prison

    Their stay in the US has not been a picnic as you incorrectly believe.
    Most now are coming from Honduras and Guatemala, both experiencing horrendous breakdowns in law and order. The ONLY way to stem the flood is to address the CAUSES of violence in those countries.

    We could make a HUGE dent just by legalizing marijuana.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You clearly do not understand the law and who most of these women and children are.

    Most of the women and children crossing the border [in far smaller numbers these days] are seeking asylum in the US.

    The law stipulates that asylum-seekers have their cases evaluated and heard.

    The question that DHS is grappling with is does the US keep the children in detention which is not a good environment for the children.

    There are recent cases where detention personnel have been charged with sexual abuse of the women detainees.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...assault-prison

    Their stay in the US has not been a picnic as you incorrectly believe.
    you clearly dont understand that i do understand the law... What part of in my opinion didnt you understand?

    so again.... if the idea of their children being separated from them and placed in a separate type of dentition a deterrent for them to illegally entering this country.... its a GOOD idea.

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    What do you think Obama did with children and their parents that crossed illegally? The children went to HHS and the parents were charged via Operation Streamline, at the onset of their deportation the child was re-united with the parents. So because it is an R doing what is required by previous law and the media is publicizing it (a 1997 case called Flores set specific legal requirements for the housing of immigrant children), instead of a D doing it and it being suppressed as to not stir up anger by activists. Its all political BS.

    The Flores vs. Meese settlement requires the U.S. to release immigrant children or house them in the “least restrictive environment.” A juvenile immigrant cannot be detained for more than an estimated 72 hours unless they are a significant flight risk or a danger to themselves or others. The children must be released to a parent or legal guardian.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...725-story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    My characterization is fair. These parents will be forced to hand over their children.
    No. Your characterization is a gross distortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    My characterization is fair. These parents will be forced to hand over their children.
    A 10 year old is not a baby.

    If this occurs and that's an if, everything will be documented.

    Nothing is being stolen. To suggest such is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    Stolen babies.

    What riot of stupidity!!
    That's the Trump GOP for ya!
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